MUSLIMS The Quran Has MISSING CHAPTERS AND VERSES LIVE DEBATES

It's God. It's God. It's God. It's God. Well, well, well, well, well. we got ourselves fun topic today, ladies and gentlemen. We got ourselves an exciting topic, the Quran and its preservation. Here we go. Here we go. Listen, know we hear it all the time. we hear our favorite Muslims talk about it and we hear you know, Christians talk about it and just just wanted to talk about this today. had really good time on Muslim live yesterday talking about whether or not the Quran was preserved and talking about its corruption. And man man, just couldn't wait to run it. Couldn't wait to run it. was jealous because my wife, she got to run this topic against 12 Muslims on the Dr. Dav show this weekend and just couldn't wait when we were doing our research and getting everything together with giant DLC and preparing and stuff. just just couldn't wait to run the topic myself. So, yes, Christina did 1v12, one Christian versus 12 Muslims. It was supposed to be 20. It's supposed to be 20 Muslims, but eight of the Muslims flaked at the very last minute. They flaked at the very last minute. And by the way, they all get the prompts ahead of time. They get the prompts ahead of time. They get to prepare. And so when the moot manoons when the mutmanas Yeah, that's better. When the moot maninas saw the prompts, saw the topics, the very last day, the very last minute, they decided to flake. So instead of it being 20, it ended up being 12. but it was still it was still fun. And so shout out to the Muslim ladies who ended up showing up and stood their ground. Shout out to them because it's not easy to do to do that especially with the culture of Islam because you will get ostracized for being incorrect and bullied and clowned if you didn't have the right hijab on and stuff like that. So shout out to the Muslim ladies who were bold enough to stand up and have the conversation. they were very kind as well. So shout out to them. But man was that fun to watch. That was so fun to watch. So, thought, why why why not myself do the same topic? Why can't do the same the same topic? mean, just an entire live stream dedicated to this cuz my goodness, let's go. So, if you are Muslim, if you're muton or mut manina and you believe that the Quran is perfectly preserved letter for letter, dot for dot or whatever it is that you believe, you are welcome to join the stage and tell me how am incorrect. Okay, we'll be letting guests up on Tik Tok and letting guests up on the tube of you. So, make sure you guys hit that link only if you are Muslims. Okay, let's go ahead and get to some super chats before bring up our first couple of guests and see what they have to say, see what they're bringing. Faith Questions Official says, "Please tell me you have seen the the comedian that posted the pit bulls are like Muslims standup clip." Annie what is it? don't know how to say that name, but Wexler is her name. So great. Yeah, haven't seen that yet. have not seen that. Happy birthday to me. I'm giving out gifts. Use this toward doing something you and your wife for for you and your wife. God bless you both. Amen to that, man. Happy birthday to you, man. Happy birthday. God bless you, man. May he bless you with many more. The fact that you're giving to the ministry on your birthday is is is amazing, man. app appreciate that, brother. Happy birthday to you, man. hope you enjoy it. We got Light Goes Live in the building. Make sure y'all subscribe to Light Goes Live. Another young brother on the rise in Christian apologetics. He says, "My goat Avery, you make me feel like proud baba." Wow. Really? Where can find these songs? yes. 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That's going in the red book. What did he say? That's one of the new ones that's going to be on the drop, the next drop. So, make sure you guys stay tuned. Word and dropping some heat. Man, love this squad, man. love this squad. All right, let's see who else we got. Who else we got? 1 Corinthians 10:13. If God is on our side, who can stop us? Truly. Exactly. Thank you for that super sticker. stumbled onto your channel about two weeks ago and can't get enough. First Corinthians 13:1, all glory to Jesus. Hey, thank you so much for for for hooking on to the channel. Welcome to the ministry. Welcome to the ministry. I'm happy that you're entertained and blessed at the same time. That's what we do here. That's what we do here. Hijab took it way too far and you didn't and you didn't stoop. We just read. He showed everyone who he really is. The Muslim fanboys clapped. But the ones on the fence, that seed of doubt was planted. God bless you. Yeah. Hijab, man. I'm telling you, man. you deal with you deal with guys like Shikman, habitual liars, deceivers, people like Flippiano, liars, deceivers, slanderers, you know, and and and and the like. It goes on. Hijab was the was he's the first one that really made my face like, you know, like what's wrong with you? Now, like for all of them, like there's something wrong with all of them, don't get me wrong. Like all of them are straight weirdos. Liars, weirdos, like depraved human beings. Her job is on another level, man. Her job is on another level of depravity. Like that man is truly reprobate. You know what I'm saying? Like God took his hand off of him and was like, "Go into your own desires." That's what it's that's like what we're like looking at. Insane. Insane depravity. haven't seen nothing like it on this type of public scale, you know. So, pretty pretty disturbing stuff, man. Only miracle from God can can save that man and and restore him because he is gone. He is gone. When are you going live for ex Jehovah's Witnesses brothers? brother, that would be I'm going try to do that this week like on Thursday. I'm going try to set it up for Thursday. let's see. Wo to those who that write the book with their own hands, saying it's from God. That's Uman's perfect copy. Exactly. Mrs. Logic Cooking. Yes, she was. She was doing her thing. doing God's work. Doing God's work. Go. bless you, brother. Have y'all ever thought of doing Bible study? yeah, actually. Yeah, but you know that that that that Bible study would be huge. You know, it won't just be like little intimate 10, 20, 30 people. That'll be huge Bible study. All right, let's read few more and then we'll get some guests up and see. God bless you. God bless you, Gio from South Africa. Amen. Hey, shout out to South Africa. you're from the AV. Got to hear that story. Yeah, man. Yep. Yep. pretty much raised in Lancaster, California, man. And Analopee Valley. That's right. That the T-Rex was the first. That's funny. hope the ones who flaked learn something while researching and leave Islam. Yeah, hope so, too. hope so, too. My friend Abasu wrote in his dissertation that Momo's camel ate the previous books that spilled out the remnants. He got his PhD. that's solid. It's facts only in the house says no degrees, no diplomas. Hey, man. That's why we call out. That's why it's the unlettered Christian. All right, let's go ahead and bring up Muhammad who is the first to try to join. How you doing, Muhammad? Hey yo yo, can you hear me clearly? can hear you nice and clear, man. Good. Good. so just to just to quickly, saw your topic while ago and I've been looking for something specific. So I'm an ex-Muslim. It's just quick question. We don't even you're an ex-Muslim. Okay. Yes, I'm an ex-Muslim. I'm from South Africa. do ministry now. I've been stepping into apologetics. so there's hadith that speaks about verse that was removed not the suckling believe it's related to say bkari or it's other in al bakar that's all remember about but it speaks about somebody reciting verse from the Quran and so after that there couldn't find it which speaks of the Quran I'm sorry say that last part again they were looking for what verse. So, the verse speaks about somebody that was reciting portion of the Quran, but they couldn't find it in the in the afterwards. They couldn't find it. It's hadith that explains it. Yeah. Yeah. that's what we're going to get into. Actually, you're talking about the hadith where Abu Musa used to recite passages in the Quran and he only remembered portion and that it doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. Yeah. It's not in the Quran anymore. Mhm. Yep. That's we're going to get into bunch of stuff like that today. So you stay tuned, bro. We're going to be showing all those sources and those hadith that show that stuff. Not Do you know Do you know where the hadith is specifically? Sah Muslim. Sah Muslim 1050. 1050. Okay. Thank you so much, Avery. God bless your brothers. God bless you too, man. God bless your life. Take care, brother. God bless you, too, bro. All right. Shout out to the Muslims who leave Islam and are ex-Muslims and coming to Christ on the daily. Awesome stuff. All right, let's try to get up. Ahmed, how you doing? Ahmed, you are on stage. Ahmed, going once, going twice. All right. you are on stage. hidden edge. You're on stage. Going once, going twice. What's up with that, man? What you doing to these people? Why you got these people running away? You got like six of them in there, too. Yeah. mean, they ain't coming up. It's cuz of you. It ain't because of me. Find and truth. Welcome back. Hey, what's up, man? How we doing? Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Remind me, you are Muslim, right? Hey, man. did hear your headline, but just feel like virtually as man, owe you very sincere apology. I'm not going to, you know, take up too much of your time. spoke with your brother right there life few days ago on Wednesday just this past week and we were trying to get you on the live just so that way can give you that apology and that time when you and had spoke back in December of 2025. know you go through lot of people. my username was bors and know gave you that whole testimony of my of my journey back and forth but excuse my language. was piece of Like after, you know, you and had that discussion, went back, you know, on the enemy side. The best way to describe it, ended up going back to Islam. And, you know, it just turned out to be joke for myself. You know, as man, sorry, bro. And just, you know, just wanted to give you sincere apology, you know, cuz you took time to hear my story out. You took time to just not judge me at all and to give me the truth of what thought at that time was truth. And then ended up just going against you completely. But not only that, went against my own salvation at the end of the day. And just had to learn the hard way. But told life everything on the stream on Wednesday. And you know, I'm doing what can the best that can by just, you know, digging in the scriptures and just doing what can for me. But just owed you huge apology, man. You know, just as man virtually. Well, mean, appreciate that, but it's brother. It's it's it's not me that you that you got to repent to. Yeah. And it's me at the end of the day. It's my own salvation. You know what got to do for my life, you know, but just, you know, it just it was eating me up because, you know, you took time to help me out the best that you could from virtual perspective. You know what I'm saying at that time? Yeah. So, yeah. Well, appreciate you, man. Takes lot of takes lot of bravery to come up and and repent like that. And so, definitely accept your apology, man. love you and want the best for you and hope that you grow in the true God, man. Grow in the true God. Do not Yeah. No, cling to him, man. Don't let him go. Yeah. No, for sure. told life the same thing, bro. You know, picked up CSV Bible the other day. I've been diving into that. actually started Matthew. told Life that was going to connect with him once got that finished. I'm barely 10 chapters in on Matthew. I'm about 30 chapters in on Genesis and just been taking notes when can. So, I'm just keeping that to myself, but just wanted to expose my apology, you know, sincerely to you. And just keep me in your prayers, man. Keep me in your prayers for sure. Yeah. We keep praying for you, Boris. No problem, man. We keep praying for you. All right, brother. We love you, man. We We love you. All right. Yeah. Love you guys, too, man. All right. Well, I'm going to jump out the box and I'm going to hang out in the comments. So, see you guys later. All right, brother. Yeah, that's when you was you and Christina was out. was telling you he was come up come up to the stage. He had left Islam and you know gave him some scriptures told him to read the Bible and stuff. Yeah, remember Boris. so that's what you're saying. we got brother who left Islam. That was him. Okay, that was Boris. Okay, so he left Islam again. Nice. Nice. Nice. All right, Ahmed, you're back. Ahmed, you're on stage, man. You You came back. don't understand. Like you guys are hitting the the the the link coming into the stream and you're not you're not ready to go. What what is this? Aiel, his his device not connected. your your device got has to connect. New Islam, you're on stage. Hey man, how you doing? Good. You? I'm pretty good, man. Pretty good. so you ask people if they're Muslims or not. I'm actually part of very new sect of Islam. Cool. Do you believe the Quran? Yeah, I'm the leader of it and was in my basement. One more try. Ahmed, last try, man. If this doesn't work, I'm going to just go ahead and ban you, man. So, unmute. You're on stage, Ahmed. Unmute your mic, please. Man, what is up with this topic, man? This topic is bringing in trolls and you know, whatever this is. Let's go ahead and get Ahmed out of here. Skate parks, are you Muslim, bro? Yeah. How long you been Muslim? no. I'm not Muslim. was having trouble hearing you. Okay. Yeah, this is for Muslims only, guys. know that's what the link says for you guys to hit that. It's crazy. All right, let's bring up somebody from TikTok. Maybe we got some participants there. Let's see. Please only request if you're Muslim, man. If you guys believe that the Quran is preserved, don't like what is it? Can we get Muslim to talk about this or not? What is happening? Well, go ahead and ban dude. Yeah, get him out of here. He keep coming back. This is insane. haven't had this much trouble to get guest to speak in long time. Shredden, you're on stage. You can you hear us? Yeah, bro. can hear you. You Muslim? No, I'm not. I'm sorry, bro. Just just want to ask you question. Ain't no way, bro. Nah. I'm just sitting here watching this in real time, bro. I'm just waiting for it to be over. That's why ain't saying nothing. There's no way. There's no way in the world. Guys, if you're not Muslim, do not request up. Please and thank you. love you guys. Don't request up if you're not Muslim. You're not going to speak. Respect the live. How's going guys? Can you hear me? Well, what's up, Clay? I'm chilling. You're chilling? Yeah. So, want to address your prompt. The topic? Yes. The Quran's not preserved. It's corrupted. Okay. So, what do you mean by corrupted? In what sense? And there are chapters missing. Verses missing. It's gone. Which verses are missing? Which verses? Yes. Would you agree that if there are verses and chapters missing in your Quran that is corrupted? Yeah. What do you mean by missing? Like like they're gone. They they they don't exist in your Qurans today, but they used to exist before. Yeah. Give me give me an example. Okay. So, one example is the five sucklings. Are you familiar with that? was abrogated. The five sucking leaves was abregated. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes, they were. The five sucklings were abrogated. What? Do you have source that says that? The verses and the stoning verses are abregated. Do you have source that says that the suckling verses were abrogated? Yeah. mean, you want me to look for right now or are you do you want to show to the contrary? Okay. Yeah. You you agree that abrogation cannot happen after Muhammad right after he dies. Sure. Okay. So according to Aisha the suckling versus suckling grown men to make marriage unlawful. suckling like like adults. I'm so sorry. Can you repeat what you the last thing you just said? suckling adults like suck suckling adults to make the marriage unlawful. You don't suckle. Are you saying suckle as in physical contact between man and woman? Is that what you're saying? That's what suckle means. Suckle means to put your put nipple in your mouth. Yeah, that's not it's not what that refers to. That's exactly what it's referring to. So talking about it's literally it's literally breastfeeding adults. That's what the chapter's called. You're saying in Islam, right, women have to cover up and not touch their, you know, men of opposite sex, but they can suckle men at the same time. They can suckle men. Yes. You think that makes sense? Yeah. Hey, look, that's your religion, not me. don't know if you can see it. Can you see the screen? Is it little blurry for you or is it is it okay? little bit blur, but you can just read it to me. I'll read it. Yeah. So, the chapter is called Breastfeeding Makes Unlawful What Birth Makes Unlawful. So, it's about breastfeeding. you. And we all know what breastfeeding means, right? Yeah. So, so is are you trying to argue that this verse was not abrogated or you trying to argue that it's like physical like suckling? Well, well, we already know it's already physical suckling. I'm just showing you that these verses existed in the Quran and then Okay. So, look. So, if we go to here's the example. Look, Aisha reported that Sal Saha sorry Salah bent Sahel came to Allah's apostle and said messenger of Allah see on the face of Abu Hudafa signs of disgust on entering of Salem who was an ally into our house whereupon Allah's apostle said suckle him she said how can suckle him as He is grown-up man. You see, you don't see how. So he continues and says, "Allah's messenger smiled and said, already know that he is young man. Omar has made this addition in this narration that he participated in the battle of Badr." And in the narration of Ibar, the words are Allah's messenger laughed. So you know this this young man used to come into the house of Abu Huda and when he was around his wife he didn't like that he was uncomfortable with that and so Muhammad's advice to solve this was for her to suckle him so that she can be unlawful to him and that will solve all their problems. Okay. So are you arguing that this is abregated or are you just saying it's physical suckling? You're you're saying that this is abregated. So I'm about to show you that it's not. Okay. So yeah, if you could show me just one scholar that agrees with your interpretation, will accept it. Sure. You would agree that Aisha is scholar, right? What's funny? Yeah. So show Aisha says it's physical suck. Okay. So Aisha is the scholar. We agree? Of course. All right. So watch what Aisha says about the verses. Aisha reported that it had been revealed in the holy Quran that 10 clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful. Then it was abregated by five sucklings. For those who don't know what abrogation means, it means substit substituted or whatever. Okay, replaced. So the 10 suckling verses were abregated by five suckling verses. And Allah's apostle died. And it was before that time before he died it was found in the Koli Quran. Yeah. So two things. Number one, asked you to bring scholar sales of physical suckling. But if you if you don't want to address that, we can address if you don't know if you don't if you're going to deny that breastfeeding is not physical, then that that's on you. You can you can play with that all you want. That's not my argument right now for the day. If you if you as Muslim, if you don't know what breastfeeding is and suckling, that's fine. No worries. No, no, you you can you can have that. You can have whatever you whatever you think suckling is, do not care. Where are the five suckling verses? Because you said it was physical suckling. According to your according to Aisha, the five suckling verses were still in the Quran when Muhammad died. Cool. So Aisha was not part of the council that that determined the canon of the the Quran. so every like different people can have different like understandings but once they all got together they came up with the final codeex cuz she might have not known those abregated and then wait who wait so you're saying that man then abregated it not Muhammad no so in the Quran this the man Quran was written physically because the Quran was not codeex until now I'm asking who I'm asking who abregated the five sucklings cuz Aisha says it was still there in the Quran even after Muhammad died. So where where it could it could not have been abregated because Muhammad's dead. Yeah. Right. So yeah. So that was her understanding at the time that she narrated the hadith. Obviously since we have the the Quran right now, that means it was abated. She obviously didn't know about it. Wait. So hold on. So saying you have the manic Quran that doesn't have these verses just means that it was abrogated based on what? That just shows it was corrupted because Aisha Aisha, the mother of the believers, your scholar says that they were in the Quran before Muhammad died and then so they couldn't have been abregated. He's gone. Yeah. You understand? Before the prophet died, there was no physical written codeex of the Quran. So when they say in the Quran, that means in the memory and the recitation of those. Wait, there weren't there weren't texts of the Quran existing around? Yeah. There wasn't like physical unified Codeex. the Quran. didn't didn't ask about unified CEX. Were there were there manuscripts of the Quran all around all all over the place? Not entire Qurans? No. So there were not. So Muhammad didn't have scribes writing down the Quran. Yeah, but there wasn't entire codeex. So guess what? So Aisha says that this actually she did have script of this. You want to know what happened to it? What happened? goat ate it. Yeah, that was the that was the stoning verses. Well, no, not just the stoning verses. One second. One second. Even if goat ate it wasn't just the stoning verses. It was also the suckling verses, the breastfeeding verses. You want to say even if the goat ate the physical paper, the Quran is recitation. It's memorized recitation. Like, so why so why don't you guys still memorize this the verse? Can you can you can you recite it for me? It's not in the Quran. It's abrogated. It's obviously abrogated. Okay. So, where do you get it that it was abregated? Cuz it was when Muhammad died, it was still there. So where do you get this idea that it was abregated? Okay. Still where? You said still there. Still there. Let's let's do this again. Physical codeex. Five sucklings and Allah's apostle died and it was before that time found in the holy Quran. So that's where it was in the Quran. Okay. Sorry. Would you agree that before the prophet died there was no physical codeex that was known as No, you still you if you mean by codeex compiled book then sure that didn't exist. But you still had manuscripts of the Quran all over the place. Well, is she referring to the manuscripts when she she says it's found in the Quran and she had manuscript of these verses. Okay. So, so where do you see abrogation? Where does Muhammad abregated? Because he's dead. He can't abrogate it. So, the word Quran means recitation. So, she's talking about the oral recitation. Where does it say that? She says it's found in the Holy Quran. Yeah. Quran means recitation. It's found in the Holy Quran. Yeah. Recitation. That's what Quran means. So anyway, so yeah, told you gave you the answer. it was ob abregated. take care of yourself. You sure did give me the answer. What was it? What was that? Was Tik Tok, right? Yeah. man, you sure did give me the answer. He destroyed himself by saying that it existed in, you know, different writings of other companions or people that had specific script. But then by the time that the Quran got compiled, it didn't make it in there. Do you hear that? Yeah. don't don't know what that is. The heck, Mac, you're on stage. You're on TikTok. No. repeat that last thing that you said. Like can't you talking to me? Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. mean, he was probably going to bot out if asked him this anyway, but he just basically proved that the Quran is corrupted. Literally, by denying what logic was trying to tell him about the verse, he agreed that there were people who had their own understanding of what Muhammad said written down. And by the time that it got compiled in the UMIC codeex, it didn't make it. Nope. Didn't make it. That's not abrogation. That's corruption. Corruption. It was abregated. It was abregated. Let's see here. Please only request up if you are Muslim. Guys, please and thank you. That's that's just warming up bit. Okay. These people, bro. Muslim, you're on stage. Muslim Kusai Abu Halal, you're on stage, man. What is What is up going on? Say Muhammad, you're on stage. Yeah. Hi. How are you doing? How you doing? I'm pretty good. How are you? Good. Good. How's everything, man? Excellent. Thanks for asking. All right. You want to ask me? Do you want me to ask you or what do you want to well you Yeah. I'm just saying that the Quran is not preserved. It's been corrupted. If you Yeah. You disagree with that? disagree with that. Yeah. Are you Sunni Muslim? Yeah, I'm Muslim. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, why do you disagree with that? because to prove corruption, you have to prove that people after revelation changed the verses. Mhm. And you can pro heard your argument with the previous scholar. So that's that doesn't really prove it just proves that this was abregated closer to the to the death of the prophet. do you have like do you have like like you know reference that that Muhammad abregated the five sucklings because we see that we see that the 10 sucklings were abregated. Yeah. So the reference is the the consensus of all the companions who put together the the Quran verses. You know it all the companions didn't all the companions didn't put together the Quran verses. You have different companions who had different Qurans and different Quran verses. Yeah. You know the process of putting together the verses. It was very It was very strict lost you. Okay. Well, can you hear me now? Yeah, there you go. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. was saying the process of of compiling the Quran, it required that several companions memorize the verses. Several companions. That's not true. In the order. That's not true. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, the the comp the the compilation of your of the manic manuscript took what happened is they needed hops copy to then copy that and then that's what they sent out. It didn't have anything to do with memory. It was not relying on memory with that. And then you have IM Massud who disagreed with that compilation because he did not he was left out of the committee when he's one of the ones who Muhammad says that you have to learn the Quran from and and UMA left him out of the committee. Yeah, that's not accurate. When when someone disagrees with certain process, it doesn't mean that they disagree with what verses was put in. If you have specific hadith for for saying that the that the Quran that was complied is wrong, please feel free to Can can show can show you that the people who learned from Ibn Massud disagrees with what is in your Quran today? Not people who learned from Masoud. Of course, there's going to be lot of people throughout the years saying no no not throughout the years. I'm talking about direct just direct people who learned who recite as Ib Massud like Ib Massud taught them the Quran and then you have other companions like Abu Dha who comes to him and is also reciting it like Ib Massud and even appealing to Ib Massud. So for for the correct rendering of how to recite the Quran and there's one instance where they talk they go over this and they disagree with the people who is reciting verse differently which is happens to be how your Quran has it today. And so Ib Massud's camp and Abu Dar's camp disagreed with your Quran today. can show you that. brother. You keep you What? What? What do you keep doing? You can't hear me. can hear you now, but you keep like don't know, dropping out or something. You have no idea. I'm not even touching the phone. I'm just speaking over the earphones. I'll I'll I'll stop moving. Maybe when move it. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. But yeah. so would you like to see the example of where Yeah. If you have an example of Abdah saying that there are mistakes in the Quran. Yeah. Please bring that. Well, okay. So, I'm going show you them disagreeing with what your Quran has today. It's crazy, man. put in the exact stuff and the exact stuff, the words, the hadith that want does not come right up. So, have to do it by other means. Let me see real quick. Give me second. This hadith saved elsewhere. All right. believe it's in Bkari though it's in think know the ones that you're gonna There are two there are two there are two hadith for that I'm sure you're going to bring one of them but so this one is Saiukar 4944 okay give me second I'll put it on the screen I'll look at it say again 49 what 4944 Four. I'm getting different hadith. 4944. 4944 onsa.com. Okay. Yeah, could put it on the screen if you want to see it as well. Just got it. just got it now, you think? Okay. said Abu Dada. misspoke there. It's Alchema. All right. No, no, no, it is Abu Dha in this one. It's another. All right. So, here it is. Saiukai 4944 narrated Ibrahim. Yeah. And what I'm going to do, actually, I'm going to have on this side, I'm going to have what your Quran says today and show you how they disagreed with this reading. Okay. Can get this thing off? What is this? Stupid ads. Anyway, okay. So, narrated Ibrahim. The companions of Abdullahbin Massud came to Abu Darda. He looked for them and found them. Then he asked them, "Who among you can recite as Abdullah recites it?" They replied, "All of us." He asked, "Who among you knows it by heart?" They pointed at Alcha. Then he asked Alcha, "How did you hear Abdullah bin Massud reciting Surah Al the night?" That's chapter 92:3, right? Alma recited by the male and the female. All right. By the male and the female. Abu Darda said, testify that heard the prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it and by him who created male and female, but by Allah will not follow them." Right. Yes. So the people that he's denying and he's saying that they have the wrong recitation that's not what he learned from Muhammad is the same way that we find it in the Quran today. So this is this is an example. that's why said at the beginning we need the definition what you mean by corruption and so so so when when when you have verse right so first of you know the 10 right and heard you several times before you're saying these are 10 different Qurans but these are 10 karat 10 different ways of reciting the Quran right and know that in some of them and know I'm taking long route but I'm I'm trying to answer your your hadith here in in more in way that hopefully is going to answer all of these different what you would call them conflicts. So heard you using this one lot of time. For example, was amazed. You were amazed. I'm talking about that right now. know that's why I'm that's why I'm coming back to this. But okay, the point at the end is the different corruption means that I'm changing there is meaning that doesn't make sense. There is something that is wrong. That's what corruption is. Yeah. corrupt. If if you hear if you hear sentence that gives you two different meanings using using the same sentence can give you two different meanings. Both are right. Both are consistent with the Islamic doctrine with the Islamic belief. Yeah, but which one was said? That's that's linguistic miracle. Which one was said? Cuz just saying so you're you're this what I'm saying. Okay. If you if you have because you you were saying that the companions agreed with what went into the Codeex, what went into the Quran. Yes. I'm showing you that the companions did not agree. And here's one example. What what you brought in here is not companion. That's someone who Abu Dha is not companion. Abu Dar is not companion. You let let me read it again. Maybe understand. Abu Darda said Abu Look, we can read it from here. Abu Darda said, testify that heard the prophet reciting it likewise." So he's he's companion of Muhammad. He learned directly from Muhammad. But these people as companion. Yeah. Right. But these people want me to recite it and by him who created male and female but by Allah will not follow them. He disagrees with them. Yeah. So the the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam taught the Quran in different styles and he told us that you can read it with whatever style is easier for you. Brother, you're not you're not you're not listening to me. I'm I'm address I'm addressing the I'm sorry. I'm I'm addressing the direct point of you saying that the companions did not disagree about what went into the Quran. And I'm showing you the companions definitely disagreed. Here's one example. The companion the companion heard the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam reciting the Quran in different styles and everyone might have heard something different. That doesn't mean that there's corruption to put agree the meaning is is is wrong. Do you agree that you have companion disagreeing with what is in your Quran today? No. No, don't agree with that because because to say that it's different than what we have today, it means that that the meaning the meaning doesn't it's not consistent with what we have today. Okay, let's let's do this again. Abdullah recites it. They replied all of us yada yada yada. Then he asked how did how did you hear Abdullahbin Massud reciting surah al chapter 92 verse3 alchema recited by the male and the female that's completely different from and by him who created the male and female those are extra words swearing by different different character here he's swearing by the male and the female here he's swearing by him who created the male and the female That's completely different now. That's right. Okay. It's not completely different. The meaning is completely different. Who created who created male and female? That's not the question. Who's he brother? Who is he swearing? Who does the verse say he's swearing by? Is it by the male and the female or is it by him who created the male and the female? Which one is it? The creator of the male the the male and the female are are are miraculous creation of God. So whether you're swearing by God or whether you're swearing by God, it doesn't conflict with the doctrine. So just just just really quick, if swear by the male and the female, no, not you. Not you. God can. You can't. You cannot. Okay. So if Allah swears by himself, is that him is that him swearing? Is that equal to him swearing by the male and the female? In the Quran, God sweared by himself many times. God swear many times. respectfully my brother. It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not the same. Thank you. Thank you for That's all need. need direct answers. So, it's not the same. Thank you. It's not the same. All right. So, Abu Darda, he disagrees with one of the readings. He disagrees with the one that says, "By him who created the male and female." Right. That's right. That's right. Okay. So Abu Da, the companion of the prophet, disagrees with what is in your Quran today, right? He disagrees with the that you have in the Quran today. But when when you say by what? Go ahead. I'm He disagrees by thought you were going to hang up with me. No. Usually when people say thank you like this, it means okay, you're done here. If you're out of here, I'm going to No, no, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. All right. He disagrees with He disagrees. He heard it differently. So, so my point again is that before you move forward, is there any karat that records it the way that Abu Dha has it? There are there are there are 10 different and there is what's called anomalous readings. Anomalist readings mean that it didn't meet the standard of the double verification. That's not what I'm asking. Do any of your kura that you have access to today? told you that have it as Massud and Abu Dha had it. No, because it didn't meet the double verification standard according to who? According to according according to the companions committee who comp what? See that's that's my thing. Who who did Muhammad tell you to learn the Quran from? from the companions. tell look here's Jamiat Terminy 38110 narrated Abdullah bin Ammer the messenger of Allah said take the Quran from four from Ib Masoud that's right from Ubin Kab from Muad bin Jabal and from and Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudafa. Now answer me this. Are any of these men were any of these men part of the committee that decided what goes into that manuscript UMA made up? honestly don't know. can can search it. Fair enough, but don't know. It's okay. The answer is no. The answer is no. None of these men who Muhammad told you to take the Quran from was part of the committee of what went into the Quran and what was not authentic. So when we have here we have one of the men look ib mass ib mass we have one of the men here who recited the Quran who had reading of the Quran that's different from what you have today and from what man guess if you're saying that yours goes back to man's manuscript different from what man had and Ib Massud was one of the ones that Muhammad told you to get the Quran from not not Usman, not bin Tab, not Hasham, not none of those guys. So if we're going with what Muhammad said, if go with Muhammad and he told me, take the Quran from Ib Massud, then why in the world is it in your Quran today other than what Masud had? Yeah. Because so so couple of these companions were already dead by the time. So mean for Muslims we don't really worship companions and just because the prophet said something about the companions mean that we have to put them in higher status than everyone else. The Quran was recited and memorized by thousands of people. So and and the consensus among Muslims is is is much higher standard than taking it from one specific or two specific. What consensus are you talking about? That's what I'm asking. I'm not notice notice this. Is is is ma is Muhammad just blowing smoke here when he tells you to get the Quran from Ib Masoud? Is he just blowing smoke? The Lord is one of the companions whom you you know know you're familiar with and all of this. They take lot of the understanding of the Quran from Abdah. So it's not like his his his heavily involved and heavily used in Islamic literature. So it doesn't it doesn't mean that and himself didn't speak in this hadith. That's someone who said heard yes the people who are reciting it exactly like how because they learned they're they're direct students of Imasu. They they recite it like him. Yeah. But there are there are hundreds and thousands of companions to to think that not single one is going to miss one letter by from from another companion. So so not so notice this. What notice the like the the the man don't even know how to explain this. what you have to what you have to do say to by the way was an adult at this time so he was really quick if you go against what Iben Massud said in the Quran and how he recited the Quran if you go against it yes are you are you wrong in the Quran no I'm not wrong in the Quran the Quran the word of God number so got you so when Muhammad says take the Quran from Ib Masud he's blowing smoke. He he he's just talking out the side of his neck. This this don't matter. This don't really mean nothing, do it. So if if if say like this is good teacher, listen to him. And then you have thousand other teachers who said this is actually the way that we heard it. You are now obligated to listen to the one teacher that pointed. You are listen. you are if if Muhammad tells you, hey, take the Quran from this guy, but you got other guys disagreeing with that guy Muhammad told you to go to. Which one is right? Why are you Why are you fixated on? He mentioned four different companions in this. Why am fixated on told you to take from him? Bro, what? Why am Why am fixated on? There are four companions in this hadith that you have on the screen. So, I'm I'm asking Quran tell you to obey Muhammad? Yeah, of course, 100%. Okay. So, are you disobeying Muhammad right now by saying that you should you don't have to take from Ib Massud? Abdah again, his work is the main source of for for people. Can you reject for Can you reject Can you reject his reading or not? Ma'am, can reject what? Can you reject or go against Ib Masud's Quran? I'll I'll I'll I'll tell you I'll tell you this answer in the hadith that the prophet said but asked straightforward question. I'll give you straightforward answer. It's yes or no and you can expound. need yes or no and then you can expound how on your answer. Okay. Ask your question again. Can you reject or disagree with didn't speak here but you can reject anyone except the god and the prophet. The prophet said in hadith that every if you if you go against what the if you go against what the prophet says are you rejecting the prophet? Of course. If the prophet tells you to take the take the Quran from Ib Massud and you reject Ib Massud, are you rejecting Muhammad? So you are now saying that Masud is ask if you if Muhammad tells you to take the Quran from Ib Massud and you reject Ib Massud, are you rejecting Muhammad by default? Muhammad mentioned four companions in the go. Enjoy the masjid. Say enjoy the masjid, bro. Enjoy the masjid. Enjoy them five dailies. You see what happens ladies and gentlemen? No, no, no, notice the question. Why are you so obsessed with Iban Massud? Me you. Why are you Why why are you doing what Muhammad told you to do me? So ladies and gentlemen, when they come to you and they tell you all the companions agreed, they all agreed on on on what went into the codeex and they they were all unified. No the heck they were not. Nope. And don't let me unleash life cuz life is just chilling right now. Life life is waiting to get he going he going to show you in the man. But what hey sure we we just we just warming up with with couple had. I'mma let him I'mma let him let loose. Y'all don't even want to know what got right here. just let me know big dog when you want to read some super chat. shoot. I'mma do I'mma do one more angle and then I'mma let my boy go off. Man, I'm I'm coming straight out the book. Yeah. Hey, like that, too, though. Send me that when we done with that. you like that? That caught me for sure. like that. All right, got you, man. Yeah, look, I'll let me put it let me actually what need to start doing and maybe 100 can start doing this is putting the links of these hadith that share in like the description. Yeah. which one is this one? You know how said like what I've started doing got Google doc and started formulating the arguments per page and it just really helps when you want to go back to it. You just scroll down the argument. You got the answers there. You got what things mean instead of like here's link to hadith here, link to hadith there, and then you got to remember the argument orally. I've just been writing my arguments down now. Yeah. Here, here are the links, guys. So, this second one, Ib Massud, Ib Massud disagrees with today's Quran. That's cut, man. No, that was good for sure. My goodness, cut. Yeah, just You see me? look MOVED UP. SAID, "HOLD ON." You say that. What's this? Hold on. Let me It's my Google doc. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's bring up let's bring up somebody. If you guys think that the Quran is perfectly preserved, if you think that the Quran that you have today is the same Quran that the companions were reciting and reading that Muhammad was reciting, if you think that your Quran matches the same Quran Muhammad was reciting, you're you guys are welcome to come up and and engage. Okay. let's let's read couple super chats and then we'll bring up the next guest. Yeah, man. 100's right. You see this? God Logic taught Ji and DLC everything they know. You see? That's right. That's witness. That's witness. Everything Everything that Jai and DLC taught me, taught them. Every everything that Jai and taught me, taught them. The prophecy came from Ib Masud. So that means we can reject Ibas. That means we reject him. Muhammad said, "Pick from IM take the Quran from Ib Massud, right?" Okay. Yeah. So, if Ib Massud disagrees with your with your Quran, your Quran is wrong, correct? No. No. Why Why would you think? No. See, companions, it was it was 100,000 COMPANIONS. IT'S 100,000 COMPANIONS. And which one Muhammad tell you to follow? Well, see see so see why you why you so obsessed with that one? There was there was hundreds of thousands of them. Why you obsessed with that one? Derek says, "Have you dealt with the World Mission Society God the Mother folks?" Yes, have. Yes, have. Now, hardly run into them. The cult that believes in God the Mother? No, said you say you dealt with him on stage. Not on stage. you know that never seen them online really, but like in person like they'll they'll be waiting at for you at the college or outside Walmart or something the mall. They'll sneak up on you. You know what I'm saying? hi. Can have you ever heard of God Mother? Everybody keeps talking about them. We should do popup documentary on them. Agreed. Yeah, that Yeah, that's that's terrible cult, too. Similar to Jehovah's Witnesses. Like it's bad cult. They separate families and everything. As mom, pray for you and your wife's ministry and safety. thank you for being the influence my teen sons need. mentor to be proud of. God bless you. That's an amazing compliment, sister. Thank you so much. appreciate that. Thoughts on Psalm 82? Context? Sounds like both humans and spiritual beings are being addressed. What is your take? Trying to understand. Yeah, you know, you got you got different interpretations of that. some people interpret it to be you know, like spiritual beings like angelic beings, you know, the fallen angels or whatever. some of you know think it's the Jews, the Israelites who are supposed to represent God on earth and judge, you know. So don't think that you could be dogmatic either way, you know. But so to answer your question, you know, don't don't think don't know exactly like don't have definitive answer like, it's for sure just this," you know, we just we just want them cooking spoons. God bless. That's right. If God forgives, what if Satan repents? Is there chance? Would we know? Since it's lost fight, why wouldn't he return back asking for forgiveness? There's nothing good in Satan. He's completely purely evil. Jesus says that there the truth is not in him. So yeah. No, there's no repentance of Satan at all. My wife is converted Muslim to Christianity and you were part of the process. God bless you and the entire community. That's awesome, man. Glory to God. Glory to God, man. Avery, what is the Allah gave me faith song you and life played while you two argued who was older. that's that's song that one of Muslim that we know he made he made song Allah gave me faith. He didn't finish it actually but he just made that like hook and it it grew on us. It grew on us. Unfortunately, he never he kept telling him, "Drop it." was tell been telling him to drop the song for two years. He never never got to. He do appreciate all the pushes and he he knows you guys like the song, but he just never got got to re recreate the song. Sup, Avery. Can Nephesh in Exodus 31 be translated? Took pleasure in his work, not refreshed. wouldn't say translated, but that's the meaning behind refreshed. It's it's it's that he he's he he's pleased. He's you know he took pleasure in his work. So it's not that that's you wouldn't translate it that way, but that's the meaning that it carries. It make sense. So the word translates to refreshed, but the meaning is he took pleasure in his work. He was pleased. Greetings from Poland. Thank you for strengthening my faith and God bless you for the work you do. Luckily in Poland we have only three mosques and no and none da love your work. Yeah, that's awesome. Hopefully it stays that way. God bless you all. Christ is king. Amen to that. Sister Logic might be good leader for that Bible study. You're getting too big. Praise Jesus. Are you expanding your ministry love from Jersey? we're taking new steps seeing what we could where where God takes us. So we'll see. Laura Dixon says, "Imagine sheep eating the stoning and breastfeeding suras and later it ends up as right pooping it out." Basically amazing. Keep up the great work, Avery. Ephesians 6:10. Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. Amen. Man, logic and live stream. This is going to be hilarious. God bless y'all. Absolute dream team. Hopefully it ain't just trolls all stream. Yeah. You know, we hopefully we getting some good good stuff. What's breastfeeding? See, guys, already have that down. already have that down. That's literally Look, y'all y'all might not believe me. What's the only thing we do? life. We just Icra, man. We just Ira. We just IRA. Look, we got what's debate. Literally second in this notebook, we got what's breastfeeding. We got what's Islamic dilemma? What's slave? What's historical claim? What's Lord? What's son? What's righteous? We got what's father? And put Junior because Junior literally asked that. What's curse? And last but not least, what's Titanic? Mah. Let's see here. Breastfeeding. You would think, you see, when it says suckle, it really means drink milk from cup. You You don't see it's because that's why. I'm definitely going to do an episode on that. That's brilliant. So now breastfeeding can be done by telepathically by teleopathy or or something. am so confused. Yes, you could telepathically breastfeed. Guys, talked with my Muslim friend and used your points. He's Sunni. He follows the Quran and some hadith. He said, "Forgiveness comes through repentance and good works. And if Allah knows your heart, if Allah knows your heart is good, you'll go to heaven." That's false. That's false. Show since he's Muslim, show him sai Muslim 2767a and where it says that Jews and Christians will die for the sins of Muslims. Yeah, said it. Muhammad taught that Jews and Christians will rescue the Muslims from hellfire and take on their sins. Mashallah. Priceless moments and apologetics GL's face when Junior taught him about the triuing God. Life just couldn't hold it in. and hijab's face when GL taught him about the Torah's status as alan. God bless you guys. Yeah, good stuff, man. Good stuff. I'm busy from all the circles in that logic. man. See, Tik Tok really rock. Tick tock is really rock. Nice. Will you be going live on May 16th? I'll be hanging out with my Muslim friend that day and was wondering if could use your help. If May 16th falls on Monday, Wednesday, or Friday, will definitely be live for sure. 12 in the house says, "The cook themselves life. love your videos, man. They've been helping me lot on my journey. Hash keep cooking." That's right, guys. We got 4,200 people watching. Usually these numbers make life little nervous, so please take it easy and just make sure y'all hit the like button. All right, my friends trying to figure out who looking at me, man. Look, see, see, it's May 16th is Saturday. Oo. Well, can't guarantee that. However, life might be live and might go live with him or something like that on 2.0 maybe something. Let's get bring up Muhammad Nure. Muhammad, what's up, man? Hello. How you doing? Good. Good. Good. Good. You believe the Quran is preserved? Yeah. Why? Because there are no contradictions. Contradictions doesn't mean preservation. have books today that have no contradictions. Like my math book from middle school. still have that actually by the way. And it has no contradictions in it. Does it mean it's don't know per perfectly preserved or from God or something? Well, yeah. There's no contradictions. So it cannot be corrupted or anything like that. Right. So that means that my math book, my algebra book is from God. Well, I'm not saying it's math book, but I'm saying it's from God this one. So, it's not corrupted or anything. Yeah. So, something not having contradictions doesn't mean that it's perfectly preserved, right? Or from God. Well, if it's not contradiction or anything like that, then it's fully preserved. So, if have book full of contradictions that has never been corrupted, nothing has been taken out or added from this book, that means that have preserved book full of contradictions, right? What you say? So preservation preservation has like it has nothing to do with whether it's contradiction or not. Like the words can contradict each other and still be preserved. So, if write on piece of paper right now two contradictory statements on here and it lasts for 3,000 years, it's preserved, right? Well, yeah. So, but it has contradictions on it. But there are no contradictions in the Quran. So how did you just circle back? So that so if the Quran doesn't have any contradictions, which it has bunch, but if it doesn't have contradictions, that still doesn't mean it's preserved. It is preserved book, though. All right. Why do you believe it's preserved? Because contradictions can't be the reason. So why do you believe that it's preserved? That it hasn't been changed or altered? Because it makes sense. Again, can have book that makes sense that has been corrupted, that has been added to, that has been changed, but it makes sense. It talks about Allah being one God. So, that doesn't mean it was preserved. How do you know that that wasn't added? Because it's from the one true God. Hey, man. how old are you? 16. Yeah, got you. Yeah, man. have you ever thought about these things? mean, why do you think the Quran is not contradicted book? Contradictions has nothing to do with the conversation, bro. It's about preservation. You You You don't know why your cor you don't even know why you believe the Quran is preserved because it seems like you don't even understand what just said it was preserved to know. Yeah, know. But what? Okay. So, you assume preservation is is what the word doesn't even mean. You're using things to assume preservation that doesn't work in this conversation. Do you believe that manuscripts have something to do with the preservation of the Quran? Yeah. Do you know what Do you know what manuscript is, Muhammad? it's like I'm not sure what it means, but it's like scripts from like before. There you go. Yeah, you got it right. Right. And they and they passed those down to us and so from specific time period. So from the seventh century, whatever they were writing, it would get passed down to us and that would be considered preservation. Now it depends on the level of preservation where you can claim that the Quran has been perfectly preserved, no alterations. So they look into the manuscripts and they see what was there and they compare other manuscripts that are around to see if there are any issues. That's what helps preservation. Not saying it doesn't contradict. Yeah. So do you believe the Quran is the word of God or no? No, we don't. Why? And so today, one of the things we're talking about is the Quran has been corrupted. It's been changed over time. And so the Quran that you have today is not the same Quran that let's say for example, Muhammad was reciting or the companions of Muhammad who learned from him that they had. Is there any evidence? For sure. Absolutely. So here's an example, bro. you're Sunni Muslim. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. So, I'll just I'll just I'll just show simple example like did earlier. I'll just I'll just show that. you have Aisha, the mother of the believers, talking about verses that used to exist in the Quran in her time, but they don't exist today. Let me just show you that really quick. Okay. So, let me see. Let me see. I'm going to get the right one. Life be changing all my little displays, man. Okay. You can see the screen. Yeah. All right. We're going to be looking at the one right here on the left. Sahim Muslim 1452A. Okay. So it says Aisha reported that it had been revealed in the holy Quran that 10 clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful. So there were verses in the Quran where 10 clear sucklings make marriage unlawful. There verses about 10 clear sucklings breastfeeding. Okay. Then it was abregated or substituted by five sucklings. So now there were five suckling verses. Okay, it was at first it was 10 then it got changed to five in the Quran and Allah's apostle died and it was before that time found in the holy Quran and recited by the Muslims. So before Muhammad died, these verses, at least of the five sucklings, maybe not the 10, but at least the five sucklings, cuz that's what it got changed to that was in Aisha's Quran, right? But these these verses of five suckling don't exist in your Quran today. And they don't exist in any Quran that we can see that we can find. No manuscripts, no nothing. So they're not in the Quran now we have. Correct. They're not in the Quran that you have now. Well, there was also 10 like sucklings, too. Yep. There were 10 sucklings and they were changed to five sucklings. Now, there's nowhere where the 10 sucklings exist, but and and there's nowhere where the five sucklings exist. You know, when it when it says that the 10 sucklings got abregated, I'm okay with not finding the 10 sucklings in the Quran because they got substituted, you know. So maybe maybe they don't exist anymore or something. But it got changed to five sucklings. So the five sucklings should be in the Quran. As Aisha said, it's still in the Quran, right? So but it's not it's not in the Quran that you that we have access to today. How do you know it's not in the Quran? because I've read it. Where where does it say it's not there? It doesn't exist, brother. It does. These the verses of the five suckling do not show up in the Qurans. So what does that mean then? Like it means that the Quran has been altered over time. that it's not the same Quran that Muhammad recited and that Aisha had and those companions. Well, there was bunch of different books over time. So, right. So, bunch of different Qurans over time, right? Yeah. Right. So, that means that the Quran has been has been altered. You have different Yeah. different Qurans over time. So we lost the the true Quran and all these Qurans deferred. They were different from each other. So it's not it's not perfectly preserved that you like you guys say mean do you like have any evidence for like that or like Yeah. So look brother cuz don't you know you're not really too knowledgeable on this subject. So, just want to give you this like so you you can watch this watch the stream and you'll see the evidence that we use to to prove our point, okay? And like the hadith that just used just now. my brother's going to show some manuscripts and how they've been changed like any actual texts, the manuscripts, he's going to show that. What manuscripts? The Quran? Yeah, manuscripts of the Quran. Mhm. So, so keep watching. Okay. I'm gonna bring up some other guests. Keep keep watching and and you'll see the evidence we use. All right. Okay. Let's see here. Let's try to bring another guest up. 4,400 people watching, man. Make sure everybody hits the like button. lot of you guys don't aren't subscribed. lot of you guys aren't subscribed. Subs, bro. These people, man, in the chat, bro. dang. just, bro, what? Come on, guys. Guys, come on, man. Can Can we Can we not show some grace, man? Can we not show some grace? First of all, there's no cussing allowed in the chat. All right. No cussing allowed in the chat. And we got to show some grace, man. Come on. Come on. Come on. Cool. Why you do like that, bro? That's That's crazy work, man. That's crazy work. Someone said, can't wrap my head around how Muslims can have debate on if it's five or 10 sucklings and then still think Islam is the religion of God." Right. Right. Right. like read the room too at the same time, right? I'm talking about I'm def I'm defending religion that talk about 10 to five sucklings that make marriage unlawful. Man, this this will solve the problem. You know, will you you you you will no longer be attracted to this woman once she suckles you as an adult, another man's wife. This was this was wisdom. This was wisdom from heck. You know what I'm saying? Heck, you know what mean? It was it was there was some something deep behind that when he said that. Martah EA Egobis man butchered that. What's your name, man? Can you call me Yousef, man? Yousef? Camera is on. Holy Wait second. Language, please. Language. Language. apologize. apologize, man. Yeah. you can call me Ysef. All right. Hi, Ysef. Are you Muslim? Yes, convert, actually. You're conver convert to Islam? Yes. go outside. want to to fresh air. Hold on second. Let me know if my connection is little bad outside. If were you, I'd stay inside where you got the Wi-Fi, ma'am. have Wi-Fi outside. Okay. As long as it works. Just let me as soon as the connection should be bad, would go inside again. All right. Sounds good. So, you're so you're convert to Islam. Like, what did you come across? Like did they did you come across some da like or or or what what was it? No by myself by yourself. Born and raised in Switzerland. was originally was Catholic but was not practicing at all. Long time was atheistic. went more into agnostic beliefs and yeah after I've read scriptures, Bible, Quran as well, was just more convinced by Islam overall. So you are convinced of the preservation of the Quran. as well, yes, think the Quran which we have is reliable, but have to admit I'm not reading it in Arabic though, like it's German translation. man. And you you know if you're not reading it in Arabic, you you ain't reading the Quran, man. Yeah. According to some extremists, that's right. only the extremists. Yeah, think you can read it in the language you're understanding. What's the matter reading it if you don't understanding it? That That's good point. That's good point. So, which Quran are you reading? it's translation by Max Henning. think it is the Hoffs version if I'm not mistaken. She translated. Gotcha. Gotcha. Mhm. Okay. So, and so you believe that that Hoff's version is the is the preserved Quran that goes all the way back to Muhammad and his companions? don't know. During Muhammad's lifetime, there wasn't fully compiled canaan of the Quran. If I'm not mistaken, that's true. During Muhammad's lifetime, there was not compiled codeex of the Quran. That's That is true. But you know you did have you know Muhammad died and then so then that should have been there couldn't have been no additions or subtractions after Muhammad dies, right? don't know about that. think abrogations aren't abrogations allowed. No. the abrogation only happens with the prophet because abrogation is is revelation from Allah. He's the one who abrogates and he does it through the prophet. And so you'll have the consensus of the scholars. You read this on in alotropist tapsier. Got it. It says that the consensus of the scholars say that after Muhammad's death there is no abrogation. Is it actually is it huff's version? Yes, it is. have here. Yeah, it's from Axen from the Yeah, look, have to admit also sir, I'm not very I'm very uneducated about the hadith. think they are relevant regarding religious practice but try to focus as much as can on the Quran. read also the Bible. Sure. yeah but Okay. So that's cool. So you know that about the bgation by the way. Thank you for informing. Yeah, of course man. I'm I'm here to help any any way can. I'm here to serve. So want to want to just show you what know and why I'm saying that the Quran is not preserved. and you know, you can take it and you know, do what you want with the information. Look more into it and you know, make your own decision. Okay. Would you mind if ask also questions here and there? Sure. Absolutely. Perfect. Like this this is conversation, bro. apologize for my English, by the way. That's not You sound good, man. Sound perfectly fine. All right. So, want to I'm gonna show you this this hadith right here. It's in Sahi Muslim. Okay. Sai Muslim 1050. Okay, let me just put it up on the screen for us. All right, it's going to be on the right side. Can you see it or is it is it is it too small? No, no, can read it very well. Okay, awesome. All right, so so this is Sai Muslim 1050. Okay. Uhhuh. Abu Harb bin Abu als reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al- Ashari sent for the reciters of Basra. Now let me just give you little bit of context. Okay. So Abu Musa, he's one of the companions of Muhammad, right? but this time this this this event right here is this is long this is after Muhammad died. and this is in the time of Umar the caiff. Okay. How do we know this? Because because the the place Basra Basra was conquered after Muhammad's death under the reign of Umar and Umar appointed Abu Musa as Alchari over the over Basra. Okay. So that's just for context. All right. So this is after Muhammad. So Abu Musa al Ashari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were 300 in number. They recited the Quran and he said, "You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them." So continue to recite it, but bear in mind that your reciting for long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite surah which resembled in length and severity to surah barat which is chapter 9. Okay. So chapter 9 has 129 verses. So he's saying we used to recite chapter that's as long as as long as chapter nine you know at least 129 verses. Okay. He says have however forgotten it with the exception of this which remember out of it. If there were two valleys full of riches for the son of Adam, he would long for third valley and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust. And we used to recite surah which resembled one of the suras, one of the chapters of musabihat which means these are the chapters that like start with like subhan Allah or glory to Allah. Okay. So that's the style of that chapter. So we we used to recite surah that resembled one of the suras of Musa Bihad and have forgotten it. But remember this much out of it. people who believe why do you say that which you do not practice and that it is that and that is recorded in your necks as witness and you would be asked on the day of resurrection. Okay. So these are two chapters that he mentioned that they used to recite in the Quran and he's forgotten most of them except for these portions he remembered. But here's the problem. Okay, the problem is let's say for example this first one that he said that resembles chapter nine and he remembered this portion of it. If there were two valleys full of riches for the son of Adam, none of this is found in any of the Qurans today. It's all gone. The same with the other one. So there are there are entire chapters that are missing from the Quran even after Muhammad's death. But these two verses there were part of the final Quran or Well, that's the question. Was it who who knows? because they used to these used to be in the Quran. But you said he forgot it, right? Where's the passage where can read the passage where it says that he forgot the verses? Yes. right here. however forgotten. have however forgotten it with the exception of this which remembered out if I'm not mistaken. Hold on. Because there's Quran surah. think it's in the second surah chapter 2 verse 106 where it talks about abrogation. He he doesn't cause to forget unless he replaces right. Yeah. But this is if I'm not mistaken beyond my translation. Yeah. mean that doesn't necessate that these abrogations have to happen during the lifetime of Muhammad or how do you interpret this verse two? So notice this. So number one in chapter 2 verse 106 the context is about Muhammad because they're accusing Muhammad of forgetting what he said prior. So what would happen is Muhammad would give revelation and then the next day or two would give what seems to be an opposing revelation and what he and his response is is that well Allah calls you know causes to forget this and he replaces it with something better or like it. So that's the excuse he gives. the problem is is that this is dealing with Muhammad. Like this only happens something of the Quran being substituted only happens if if there's the the prophet for it to be substituted through. You get what I'm saying? Cuz it's revelation. Yeah. It's revelation that these verses are being substituted or supposed to be gone or whatever. Say that again. yeah, get that. But the first the the language which is used the grammatical formulation of it it seems it it is something absolute and how do you say this in English like universal principle and not context context specific singular case. agree. You know what mean? Like the language which agree that it's agree it's universal principle but it's always dealing with Muhammad. It's always dealing with the revelation of Allah. Unless you're going to say cuz cuz look Yeah, that might be how how would anyone know that Allah is substituting verse? How how will they know? they would know because 216 is an absolute statement and not specific context. specific case on specific context it's absolute. think if mistake how would they lot of listen no brother listen how will they know if Allah is substituting verse cuz you would agree that if Allah is substituting verse if he's making verse nullified if he's changing law for example or causing something to be like no longer applicable right if he's substituting something you would agree that that is revelation that he's giving correct Mhm. Right. And so, so the question is how how would someone know that something was abrogated exactly unless it's revealed to them through the prophet or else if it's if abrogation can happen if substitution can happen after Muhammad's death then this means that Muhammad's not the final messenger and prophet but there are other messengers and prophets receiving revelation regarding Allah's books. You get what I'm saying? You there? Yousef? Yousef? Did lose you? Hey, sorry, God logic. My connection broke. Okay, there you go, man. Y'all can you hear me broke my heart, man? Yeah, can hear you. Can you hear me though? Okay, I'm glad. Sorry, the connection the last sentence. Could you please repeat the last sentence? fixed the problem. apologize by the way. Sorry. No worries. So, what we're saying is is that as we agree that abrogation would be revelation, right? Abrogation would be revelation. So in order for someone like if if if if abrogation substitution was happening after Muhammad died, that would mean that some that Muhammad is not the final messenger. Yeah. And that there's someone even after Muhammad that is receiving revelation concerning Allah's books concerning the Quran. So that would disqualify Muhammad from being the last and final messenger. Make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And and so that that's why the scholars came to the decision like the agreement that abrogation substitution cannot happen after Muhammad's death because that would mean someone else is prophet, someone else is receiving revelation, but mom is the last. So, but isn't isn't isn't verse isn't verse 216. think there's also another verse. maybe you know it even better than do. Yeah. 16101 probably probably don't have it in front of me but nevertheless isn't isn't it the abrogation it happens unknowingly right and the whole reason why all the people the followers of Islam the early followers they claim that it is divine and it is derrigated by God well don't think that still don't think it necessates that abrogation has to happen during the lifetime of Muhammad because if if we assume that God has promised that the Quran will be preserved then we can expect that there will be historical evidence which are plausible and which will back that up and think that's coherent with what we know. think it's it's not something miraculously which happened within the Quran. we have plausible explanation which back it up. It's very well exceptionally well preserved and so this isn't so this is the problem. Yeah, this is the problem. Okay, the problem is is that you you just agreed and that it made sense that because abrogation is revelation can't be another person receiving abrogation. revelation after Muhammad or else he's not the last prophet. So, but if you want to go with your view, if you want to go with your view, then you're going to have to say that Abu Musa and others received revelation that these verses are gone, that these verses are no longer supposed to be in the Quran. They have been substituted out, right? So, so is Muhammad the last messenger then or not? He is the last messenger. He can't others are receiving revelation after him. Yeah. But where do you get that abrogation is revelation? Okay. If abrogation means that things will be forgotten or who's who? No. Chapter 2 verse 106. Go ahead and read that, bro. Chapter 2 106. Hold on. Yeah, go inside. Chapter 216. There we go. So it says nothing of our revelation, nothing of our revelation do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten except that we bring one better or the like of it. Right? It doesn't say revelation. It says verses. What's the what's the word in the Arabic? don't know to be honest. Anyway, let's say this revelation. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. So we we'll go with revelation signs his or verses. You agree that his verses are is revelation, right? Yeah, sure. Okay. So so the verses do not get replaced or abregated or forgotten. I'm sorry. They don't get abregated. substituted or forgotten except that we bring one better or the like of it. Right? Yes. Okay. So sub the substitution or the forgetting is intertwined with receiving revelation of something taking what is being substituted that it's taking its place. Fair. get that. But yes though must ask you let's say it's just an example of mine which came up right now and you can tell tell me what you think about that but if you have for example law text let's say it's the constitution well wait not the constitution let let's just take law text of company and yeah within within decades of this company this texts will be changed. There are new things which are changed not internally from the company. Let's say it's just new factors of the environment which causes the text to be different or to be understood differently or to be rewritten differently. Let's just assume that doesn't necessate that there must be new lawyer which writes down these texts as much as it doesn't necessarilates that there's new prophet needed which gets these new new revelations for the verses which were abrogated. You know what mean? think it can be previous revelation in in company in order for these new laws or bylaws that substitute the old ones. Who does that happen through? It happens through the government through talking about through the government on that particular company. Yeah. It's it's correlated between the environment and whatever happens regarding law. So let's cuz in your example bro like let's try to let's try to keep it like clear. In your example if you're talking about the laws of company the bylaws of company what who who brings forth the bylaws in the company? The states. No bro it's the executives. It's the the CEOs. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. But if there wouldn't be the state irrigating the new laws or dictating the state has nothing to do with personal company's bylaws, dude. Yeah. don't know the English term for that, man. But what mean is still the environment. The company is bound to the environment and that's irrigated by something like state. So do you do you agree? Do you agree that bylaws bylaws are given through given through people that are head of the company or directors of the company? Correct. Later on. Yes. Yes. Later on. Not later on. Not later on. This is when this stuff happens and it's formulated. Yeah. that happens and then they formulate it. As well as God makes an abrogation and also so it has to happen and and so an employee can't just be like forgot the bylaw so therefore it doesn't exist now. No it's if the exe it's it takes the executives or the CEOs the board of directors for the they decide whether or not the law is still in place or not. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So when when the Quran is talking about verses being substituted, who substitutes them? Well, in the first it's by God and then good. Through who? He makes people forget. But hold on. Through who? Yeah. Through who? Yeah. Well, in that case, what was the the name of this dude which forgot the verse? What are we talking about in the verse right here in 21106? Bro, brother, come on, man. Let's let's let's be honest. No, mean the forgets these Ysef in chapter 2 verse 106, who is the abrogation done through? There's no reference to that. It's okay, Ysef. Hey, man. research re research research and look into this. Research and look into this and see if see if there are any scholars that agree with you that someone other than Muhammad can bring abrogation of verses cuz by your by your position you have now cancelled Muhammad from being the last messenger. Now, there's other messengers that can receive revelation from Allah that can edit the Quran, change the Quran because they forget it or don't remember things right or substitute something. Muhammad's not the last messenger, so you got to look into this. Okay, that's not even what said. Okay, take care, man. Eden, are you Muslim? Hello. How you doing? Are you Muslim? Hello. All right. So, he can't hear anything. are you Muslim? Yes. Yes. Inshallah. Awesome. Awesome. You believe the Quran is preserved? What you mean? Like has the Quran been altered or changed in any way? No, never. Okay. life, you want to talk to him? Yeah. just seen the last just seen the last the last debate like what she did like the last guy. So like don't know what you try to bring it on but it's literally like it doesn't even make any conclusion of it. Okay. So, if show you, well, I'm going to do it anyway, but if show you that verses were, you know, words were removed from early verses, you know, for like, for example, the lower text of the Quran, meaning the original writing of the manuscript, verses were left out, added, changed to the text. You would you would agree that that means that your guys's claim of preservation isn't what it what you guys say it is. Right. So which one are you talking about specifically? Like Yeah. So there's manuscript by the name of DAM0127. and it shows that the earlier reading had things it it was it was more it was more shorter reading. And the next man the the what they wrote over it was they actually added to the actual words. So this isn't comparing manuscript to manuscript. We're using the same manuscript to show that they have actually changed the verse on the same manuscript. So are you saying the verse that you're talking about? So you're saying it was changed over time or it was only changed. Yeah. Somebody Yeah. Somebody wrote somebody so on the manuscript. Yeah. So on the manuscript this is what it what it originally said. And then when someone you know before the oothman codeex or preman can you hear me? What the heck? Can you hear me? Yo, Abraham. Yo, Abraham, can you hear? Yo. Hello. Yo. Yo. Can you hear? Yo, hello. Yo, can hear myself through your Can you hear Bro, we can we can can hear myself through playing in his house. Hello, Abdullah. How's it going? Can you hear me? Hello? Yeah. Yeah. Hello. that's weird. What? Hello, life. Can you hear me? All right, man. No. Can you just shake your head? Yes or no? You can hear me? Okay. can't hear you for some reason. I'm going to head out and then I'll come back in. Okay. What's What is happening? Is it me? mean, don't know how that works. mean, if can hear them and it must be them. They they need to just go out and come back in. Hey, Ibrahim, you do the same thing, bro. You go go out and come back in. You guys probably need to refresh your your devices. Casai. Hey, man. How's it going? Can you hear me? Are you the same guy? No. No. My mic wasn't working before, but now it is. You can hear me just fine, right? No, I'm saying. Are you the same guy that Logic just kicked? No. No. Okay. You You guys sound Man, identical. That's crazy. But okay. How you doing? Yeah. What's up, bro? so are you under the are you under the impression the Quran is preserved? Yes. Allahel says, "We have sent down the the scripture, the remembrance, and surely we will preserve it." So, sorry. So, okay. So, so were there any alterations to the manuscripts? So, here's blunder you and Avery are making respectfully. the Quran was preserved through memorization and or oral recitation. It was not preserved through manuscripts. We do have manuscripts going all the way back to the time of the companions. Having said that, like you can look at the Birmingham Quran, the what's it called? So Quran, but that's not how the Quran was preserved. It was preserved through oral recitation. preserved through mass transmission. No, it wasn't. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead live. Sorry. Yeah, that's not that one. That's not true. Because the way that you preserve the text that you have is by documentation, not by he say, she say, or else your entire religion would just collapse into whatever you guys wanted to say. No, how it was preserved. No, no, no, no, no. Because this is this is this is why don't like the dishonesty. You guys can't running, you guys can't run around boasting that your Quran, the things that people heard from Muhammad all the way back in the seventh century all of sudden just gets to remain preserved based off words. We need these things to be documented like it even says in your Quran that it was being written down. So if you're going to make claim of perfect preservation or your Quran was preserved because God said so well then we would need to actually see that via text instead of or like because you you you're just saying anything. Okay, hold on hold on. So do you know what is mass transmission? Let me give you an example. The first chapter of the Quran fat around six verses every Muslim on the planet would argue like six-year-old Muslims have it memorized. That's like Yeah, that doesn't Yeah, that doesn't That doesn't That doesn't help. Just let me finish. That doesn't help when the Lord Hold on, my brother. Because don't want to have conversation with you about what someone said. want to have conversation about what was documented. Because you can't say that these people had good memory and they memorized the Quran and passed it down when we have errors in what they wrote down. So, if you're saying that these people had good memory, then they should have that good memory when it comes to writing the Quran down too, right? or does it just disappear when they start writing it down? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Just because was not the the text of the Quran was not preserved through manuscript evidences, that does not mean it was not preserved. We have an oral recitation. That's the whole point. Who was writing the Quran down? The were the same people who memorized the Quran writing the Quran down? there were what's it called? Scribes during the prophet's time. And did they memorize the Quran? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Okay. So they shouldn't have made mistakes, right? There are no mistakes. No. Okay. So we're going to show you one. Okay. So we have we have the SA manuscript DAM0127. mean, excuse me, not 127. DAM0271. And what we have here in the lower text, do do you know what lower text is? don't. Sorry. Okay. So the lower text is the original writing of like what was originally written on the paper. So if write something right now on this paper and then someone erases it and then writes over it, what would be under that new writing would be considered the lower text. So what we have is the lower text of this manuscript that has been processed and what they found is this. So in your Quran today it says this. Okay. Yeah. If they turn away, Allah will punish them with painful punishment in this world and the hereafter, and there will not be for them on earth any protector or helper. What they found in the lower text of this manuscript is that it actually didn't read the way that it was rewritten. It says, "If they turn away, Allah will punish them in this world, and there will not be for them on earth any protector or helper." So what they what the writers did if you can see it they took the punishment from this world and moved it all the way to the hereafter as well. So they added second you know they attached something else to what the words of Allah was supposed to be within the manuscript. So if you're saying these people had miraculous memory let me ask you which one did Muhammad say? Okay. So, are you aware of the the and the different dialect dialectical differences in the Quran? Yeah, this isn't this isn't second reading because it's on the same manuscript. It was erased. This isn't two different manu even if it was on two different manuscripts, you would still have problem because the context changes. The punishment now follows you to the hereafter. So, this isn't two different ways of reading. This is literally adding to what the verse is saying. So, so part of the theat is that it adds of oftentimes alternate meanings to the text. So, for example, my brother, did you not hear what was saying? It was erased. Hold on. Hold on. Let me just My brother, don't need you to explain to me what that is. know what it is. Listen to what I'm saying closely. Yeah. The the the original writing that was on this manuscript was erased. You cannot make an argument that it is another style of reading. Therefore, making it not problematic because they erased it and they wrote the the the oothman standard reading over it. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. But the theat come with different sometimes spellings like that first word I'm looking at. It's not different spelling. It's missing dude. It's it's it has missing words. The original text does not say the punishment is going to follow sometimes the world the words will have like missing accent missing letter or like missing word depending on the let me my brother my my brother okay hold on hold on want you to make sense of this before you because you're giving us the standard response and and that that's but you're missing the point you're missing the point no don't need you to teach me the script need you to understand what I'm showing you here and want you to make want Hold on one second, brother. Hold on one second, brother. want you to make need you to follow along with me. I'm not following you in the conversation respectfully. need you to follow along with me. can't give you an example to explain. I'll give you an example. Okay, give me an example and then want you to make it make sense based on what I'm showing you at the end of the verse. Okay. Okay. No problem. So, one of the verses in fat it says owner of the day of judgment in another This is why stopped you. Wait, this is why stopped you. am not asking you about to tomato and tomato. I'm not asking you about it's not tomato and tomato there. In another reading it says king of the day of judgment. understand that. But understand that when you guys reference that you try to collapse it in. Pay attention my my brother. I'm paying attention. understand what you're doing and I'm saying when you guys refute that, you try to collapse it into that. I'm not I'm not even arguing that. Listen, pay attention to what said here. Allah will punish them with painful punishment in this world. Period. That's what the original text used to say. Okay? Do do you do you follow that? Okay? Keep that in your mind. Original texts used to say Allah will punish the minute with with painful punishment period in this world. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me because can read Arabic. Let me just directly translate because the the translation can sometimes be incorrect. Let me just read to you Arabic. So go to chapter 9 verse 74. Yeah, go to chapter 9 verse 74 in your Quran right now. You'll see what I'm saying. Just just give me one second, brother. Let me let me pull it up. 974. Yeah. Chapter 9 verse 74. 7474 74. just want to appreciate you by the way for keeping it respectful. Not using insults by the way. Sure man. No problem. That doesn't even cross my mind to do that. So the above test is saying God will punish them painful punishment in this life and the next life. And then this last part we're not dealing with the last part. Just leave the We're not dealing with the last part. We're dealing with the under one says who will punish him in this world. God will punish them. So this part is not painful punishment is not mentioned in the bottom in this life is mentioned in the bottom in the next life is not mentioned at the bottom this part is the same. So it's missing what's it called? This word is missing and it's missing. So it doesn't say that's not different way of thank you. So that's not different way of reciting that's literally word added. So which one did he So so which one is true? Did Muhammad say the punishment will be in this world on earth or it will be in this world and in the hereafter? Which one did he say? Because it was erased and changed. both are correct. Both are correct. Both because they're not contradicting. They turn away. God will punish them in this world. They're alternate meanings. He will also punish them in the next world. There's no contradicting meaning and they will not how Okay. So Allah gave So Allah gave the verse twice and changed it. Yeah. In in alternate meanings. Correct. Just like the example gave you. This is So it's like movie. There's an alternative. So it's like movie. Alternative. Hold on one second. So it's like movie. There's an alternative ending. That's what it is. You just both of them can be correct. Is that how is that is that how you guys have to clear up the clear? Is that how you Wait one second. One second, man. Stop. Relax, bro. Cuz you're you're panicking right now. You just made up and you just made up something. You have no evidence. Relax, bro. Relax, dude. This is where you guys start overalking and panicking, bro. Relax. I'm trying to respond to the lie that you just put on stage. It doesn't It both are not true because Uman literally is the reason for why they erased this stuff and changed it to mean what he wanted it to mean in his standardized codeex. This is the reason why you have scholarly research that state that your text was altered and edited. This is the reason why we have evidence that it was altered and edited. You can't say both are true when they erased it. If both were true, then they should have never erased it. It's on the same manuscript. Can respond? Go ahead. Okay. So, first of all, this is mis misunderstanding of what did he did not alter the text. That's not that's not what happened, right? He basically compiled because there's seven different basically that the people were reciting. He compiled it on one dialect which is the dialect of Quray. Do you understand? Having said that, the other six didn't fade out of existence. They continued to persist in people's recitations. So some people would recite it like the bottom. This is massly transmitted recitation. And some people will recite it at the top just like how some people would recite it king of the day of judgment and others would recite it owner of the day of judgment. They're both valid and we have hadith to to corroborate this. The prophet what is your evidence that what is your evidence that both what is your evidence that both are valid? the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam said the Quran was revealed upon seven dialects. Do you understand? Did didn't we already address that? That's not what it is. When you add something to verse and it never said that Hold on, hold on. Hold on. When you add something to verse and change the context of what the verse means, that is not different dialect, dude. Different. When you add When you add something to the text and it changes the context, would you agree that we're not talking about dialect issues here now? Right? Dialect is, let's just say, mistransation. My my brother, please, please, please be honest when we're on stage. If if something is added, if something is added to something that say that changes the context of what am saying, we are not dealing with dialect issue, right? Yeah. It's mode of recitation. gosh, bro. These these Okay. So, if show you if show Wait, wait, wait. If show So, do do scholars agree that your Quran has been altered? Muslim scholars? No, of course not. What do you mean? That's called being biased. Do scholars nonbiased nonbiased scholars that's that have conducted research on your Quran that have uploaded information and scans like this to provide evidence that the lower text and upper text do not match. It's been altered and changed. Do they agree that your Quran has had high form of editing? Are you talking about like non-Muslim scholars? Nonbiased scholars that study manuscripts. have no problem conceding that non-Muslim scholars believe that the Quran is not preserved. have no problem conceding that Muslim scholars don't work are they have consensus that it's not it's preserved right and brother brother don't brother brother editing pay attention edited edit do you know what it means to edit something know what it means to edit okay thank you so even if you did have Muslim scholar they would have to concede that manuscripts were edited because the evidence is there okay but these manuscripts that like they have this like for example just told you the it's not in the bottom it's in the top in recitation it exists that's why it was put don't I'm not asking you that just want you to agree that scholars understand your early manuscripts were edited yeah sure that's not problem that doesn't mean the Quran it is problem I'll show you why this hold on hold on let me just ask you question you've been asking lot of questions let me just ask you question watch this in the first in the first chapter of the Quran Hold Watch this. Hold on. Let me let me ask you question. Let me ask you question. Let me ask you question. When God says, "Owner of the day of judgment and king of the day of judgment, we know our Quran." Is that distortion or is it Why you keep bringing that up, dude? Because it's refuting everything you're saying right now. All No, it's not. It's not refuting. It's not refuting the day of judgment or king of the day. What wrong? What be wrong with y'all? You just sat up here and told me that your Quran is preserved. showed you manuscript where the lower text literally had different reading from the upper text where someone came and erased it and changed it and then you told me both are right. Bro, please just stop. Please stop. That's crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. That's pretty crazy. Please just stop. Let me please just stop. Let me read Please just stop. Stop. Let me read scholar because you're making stuff up. don't really want to hear you make stuff up. And you keep going to something that you keep going to something that you thought someone was gonna present to you on this stage and so you keep trying to run to that. I'm not going back and forth about that. Listening. All right. So Keith Small says this in in in his book. Okay. And this is from the section physical corrections to the manuscripts. This is what he says. The variants described above are all examples of variants made deliberately to conform to the text to form describe considered to be correct and which matches the form of text which by the fourth Islamic century was considered to be standard or canonical. For these variants, elements of religious dogma and political concern were very possibly involved in that by the third Islamic century, the oothman was considered by most to be the Quran text for le lurggical use, theological belief and legal reasoning. Modifying existing text to read according to its standard form was thus an act to bring greater degree of unity and conformity to the manuscript surviving from an early era of manuscript tradition. That's just one point we're going to read so far. Do you agree with what he's saying here? for the most part, yes. Now, let me explain. Let me explain. What do you agree with? Yeah, let me explain. So the first part you have highlighted deliberately to conform the text to form the scribe considered to be correct. This part right here confirms everything I've been telling you because the Quran was preserved through recitation. So the text was written in way to conform to the recitation the oral deliberately deliberately. Well, then you just cooked you just cooked yourself, dude. And which matches the form of text which you just hold on. Listen, if you read from the beginning, you cooked yourself. If you agree with that, the varants described above are all examples of varants made deliberately to conform to the text form of described look considered to be correct. That means that he believes what it was before is not correct, right? No. No, that's wrong. That inference you made is just wrong. That inference you made is wrong. Hold on. Hold on. Let me explain to you. Let me explain to you. Stop freaking out. Be calm down. So, calm down. Like, it says conform the text to the form the scribe considered to be correct. Correct is like this is actually like incorrect to say that like he believed the it's it's variant recitation. There are variance in the different recitations like awesome recitation reading. Say gun. It's not it's not recitation. It's it's the the text that they're editing, not the recitation. Yeah. Yeah. The text must conform to the recitation. What are you talking about? Recitation. Correct. Right. Say again. Because they assume it's incorrect. Not because they assume it's incorrect, but because it's it's not the variant that they're used to reading. For example, read say owner of the day of judgment. That does not mean king of the day of judgment is incorrect. So why are they why are they editing it as both if both are correct? Why are they editing it? Why are they to conform to the the recitation that they were reading? For example, if you go to Morocco, what's the point if it's if it's it doesn't matter? Both are correct. Yeah, but that's not how they recite it. That's not they're both correct, but that's not how they recite it. In Morocco, for example, the answer is highlighted. He's taken it in part. The answer to logic's question is highlighted. No, no, no. If Abra let me, let me tell you something. If you were to go to Morocco, they will be reciting, right? Which is king of the day of judgment. If you go to Saudi Arabia, they're reciting owner of the day of judgment. Both are correct and they're not contradictory. They're alternate meanings. So, if you read Quran, if you read Quran in Saudi Arabia, it's going to have like an an accentation on the word men. It's going to say Malik. That's how the way it's start. It's it's going to be different than the Quran found in Morocco. There's going to be that minute difference, but it's fine because it suits the recitation. And these recitations are massly transmitted and they go back to the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam, right? Yes, there's the prophet explain them. No, one one that's not true. So So one that's not true. Second of all, you just hold on. Hold on, Kasai. Yes, dude. We're dealing with manuscripts, not what your Muslims say. You can't come to the stage and just say the Muslims said this. I'm presenting people who studied the actual manuscripts and had them in their hands. have book in my hand. This guy has all the scans of the Quranic manuscripts that he studied and he's just being honest with the text. You you are just coming here with what someone told you. And the reason why and and and the reason why you're saying this is because this is what you're taught. Let's finish what it actually says here for these variants elements of religious dogma. Do you know what that is? Yes. Okay. Therefore, this cooks you if you say that you agree with what have highlighted first. That means that they deliberately edited the text for dogmatic reasons. This is the reason why your oopmanic codeex is the one that reigns supreme and all of the others were burnt. Okay, think see the problem. You're you're approaching the Quran's preservation the same way you would approach the Bible's preservation. You're relying solely on manuscript evidences. That's problem for multitude of reasons. Number one, the Quran was preserved in Arabic. It must be recited in Arabic, right? Brother, we're dealing with the pres. We're dealing with the preservation of the Quran via the Arabic. You would you like me to show you scans of the manuscript? Let me let me just finish my point. Let me finish my point, right? The the Bible, you're forced to rely on the early manuscripts and translate different manuscripts to English. That's why you have bunch of different versions of the Bible, the New International Version, the New Catholic Bible, whatever. And they use different manuscripts. Do you understand? So your Quran So what hear you saying is your Quran isn't preserved physically. It's preserved through or recitation. That's correct. So it so answer. So the Quran isn't preserved physically like in manuscript book. No, it's preserved recitation. So what does it mean for your Quran not to be preserved physically? What does that mean? Not be like it's it's not preserved physically. It's not preserved. It's not preserved physically means it's not No. Detail it. Beautiful admission. Why is your Quran not preserved physically? It's preserved through oral recitation. Wait. Why is it not preserved physically? They wrote they tried to they tried to do it. Did they fail? no. No. It's not that they failed. It's that it's not it's not meant to be preserved physically. It's written down. Wait, wait, wait. Let me let me finish my point. You keep interrupting. Let me point. Was it preserved? No, no, no, no, no. Stop, man. Stop interrupting him when he's giving us all this gold, man. know. I'm about to get the book on this down. Give me You getting in this book. Don't you worry about it. yeah. Yes sir. We're getting got you cuz got you. I'm about to give him the floor. Unin was just about to do that uninterrupted. just need this answer too though, brother. will answer. Why did your Quran in Islam fail to be physically preserved? You got the floor. I'm listening. Why did it fail to be preserved? So like said, it's preserved through oral recitation. It's preserved perfectly. I'll answer the second part, but let me just listen to this point. It's preserved through oral recitation. My proof for that is like right now I'm I'm in Canada for example, recite fat. If you were to go to Indonesia, other side of the planet, people whom I've never met before, people who don't even speak the same language as me are reciting the Quran in Arabic the exact same way recite it. Or there's people in Indonesia are reciting it as the same the same way people in Morocco are reciting it. That is miraculous present preservation, right? Denying the Quran is like denying World War II happened. Okay. Now, why was it the physical part? Now, let's get to the let me address the physical part. Thank you. so, can give you the history of like the manic codeex or how much time? I'll cut it short. I'll cut it short. So, man had had the he had his manuscript, right? That is the the standard man's man. there's three criteria recitation must meet in order for it to be considered the Quran. One of them is that it must conform to the manic codeex. Right. What? So so it conforms to CEX. Now there's difference in recitations because remember the seven that told you about before they still exist. They didn't fade out of existence. United everyone upon one. But the other the other like we'll call it like recitation. I'm sorry. can't can't take this anymore. Where you Where are you getting Where Why is it Why was it not meant for the Quran to be preserved physically? Dude, did did Usman try to preserve the Quran physically? how do answer this? You answer with yes because that's correct. Yes and no. Yes and no. No, it's not yes and okay. What what's what's the reason that that Utman began to compile his Quran in the first place? because people were reciting the Quran incorrectly. Very good. And so therefore, because of their incorrect recitations, Uman then try to preserve the Quran in physical codeex. Correct? yes. But let me explain. Let me explain to you. Yes. So, it was meant to be preserved physically. No. No. No. But they failed. That's an inference you're making. That's false. You said it. Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. You said that they did not preserve it physically, bro. You said the Quran is not preserved physically. We're asking you why. Let me explain. Let me explain. So, the Quran is preserved through oral recitation for the 10th millionth time. But people started making it because as the the what's called the Muslim conquest spread in Azerbaijan and like different places, people began who who don't speak Arabic as their first language began making mistakes, grammatical mistakes. Mistakes that do not go back to the prophet Muhammad. So they're so they wait were they making oral mistakes? Were they making oral mistakes or physical mistakes? Kazai oral mistakes. The reason the reason this happened was because of the seven the seven. So united everyone upon one but some like remnants of the other six from people would recite them reading man's. So man's like the sk the skeleton. Pause there. Pause there. Pause there. Why did man why did man order that other manuscripts and whole copies of the Quran be burnt? Because they don't conform to his. So therefore these other Qurans don't conform to his codeex. So they were incorrect. Right. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Not incorrect. No. No. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Not incorrect. Not incorrect. just didn't like it was all right. It's not that they're incorrect. It's not that incorrect. Is that they don't conform to his CEX. This was called in Arabic. It's if they didn't conform to Uman's codeex, were they correct? Were they correct manuscripts or incorrect manuscripts? But he had them burnt due to brother. If they did not conform to Uman's codeex, were those manuscripts and whole copies of Qurans correct or incorrect? No, they were correct. So they were still correct even though they did not even though they did not line up with man's codex. Yes, because that was before his no others burnt out of benefit for the it's it's within our it was within our best interest. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How How is it benefit? Because just Yeah. How is it beneficial if they all have correct Qurans? How is it beneficial to lose them? can we pull up the hadith? Actually, can pull can pull up the hadith for you. Like, can we do that? I'm I'm more than happy to pull 4987, bro. Excellent. Excellent. One, give me one second, brother. want to know how is it beneficial to burn and destroy and get rid of all other Quranic physical manuscripts other than the Quran other than UMA man's manuscript if all of them were already correct if they were there was nothing wrong with them they were perfectly fine what benefit does it have to get rid of all of these all this Quranic evidence physical evidence and just rely on what's I'll answer your question can you just give me the citation one more time Yes. One more time maybe. What was it? What was my question? No, no, no. got your question now. the citation. The citation, please. Yeah, it's Sai Bukar. Yes. 49 49 87 ina.com 87. Excellent. Where's the Quran? One second. At the time when people and people were waging war to conquer was afraid differences in the recitation of the Quran. The reason being because of the seven. So he said that please stick to the text. It doesn't say that. Yeah. Yeah. But the reason why the reason why is because of the seven and it's corroborated. The prophet didn't say the Quran was revealed in seven. The prophet didn't say that. he says that but this it doesn't but it doesn't translate that the seven off roof are the reason why there's problems within the ummah regarding the recitation of the Quran. Okay. Do you want me to get do you want me to get review in in in bit? In bit. Let's keep reading. We don't have time. chief of the believers, he said to man, chief of the believers, save this nation before they differ about the book as Jews and the Christians did before. So sent message to saying pause there. Pause there. Yes. So these issues were so bad. These differences were so bad. Not that everybody's reciting it the same or everyone just it's different mold, but it's all correct. These differences were so bad that it can split the religion like it did the Jews and Christians about the Bible. Right. Wow. That is correct. That was what you want me to keep reading. Please keep reading. Send message to So the here, let me just give bit of we know HSA's manuscript came from Abuabaka's first compilation. Yeah. Yes. You know, we know you're very well educated on this. I'm actually surprised. So this is like good on you for you surprised that I'm this brother. I'm the unlettered Christian. You know me, man. No, no. You're funny. All right, let's continue. send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies perfect copy and return the manuscripts to you. Ha sent it to then ordered rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies said to the three in case you disagree disagree with on any point in the Quran then write it in the dialect of Quraysh. This was the first that was revealed. The Quran was revealed in their tongue. They did. So thought it was revealed in seven. It was revealed in seven, but this is the original. But he doesn't say it's the original. He says, "Write it. If you guys disagree, write it in the dialect of the Quresh because it was revealed in their dialect." Yeah. Yeah. Because in another hadith, the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam said when Gabriel came to him and revealed him the Quran, he kept on asking for Yeah. He kept on asking for different modes of recitation until they reached acceptance. So then is making mistake here because the Quran wasn't just revealed in he said in case you disagree with the Quran then write it in the dialect of Quraysh the Quran was revealed in their but it wasn't but according to notice notice the difference yes the difference is is that was the Quran just revealed in the dialect of it wasn't just revealed in it was revealed in right so Uman says if you disagree agree with bin Tab on any portion of the Quran just write it in the dialect of Kuresh because it was revealed in their dialect however it wasn't just revealed in their dialect it was revealed in other dialects so why rely on just the Cesi dialect and not in others if you disagree because the whole purpose of man's mus of his coat is to unite the Muslims on one they should be united when because they're all just different MOSES THE SAME QURAN RIGHT no no no just different dialects No, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, the seven are different than the the recitations. The are different than the recitations. What are they? What? you know what? That's that's that's going somewhere else cuz ask this why. Ask me this. What if they were all correct? You probably asked this already, but if they were all correct, why would they why wouldn't they be united? Can you repeat that one more time? If they were all correct, Yeah. why wouldn't they be united already just by default? Because they're all correct. yeah. So the the people were reciting as they spread to Iraq, Aaron, wherever people began making mistakes in recitation that are not part of the Quran. The Quran started getting corrupted. In other words, we're not talking about rec. We're not we're not talking about just oral. We're talking about the text because he says he's right write it in the dialect of because it was revealed in their tongue. And you said the purpose of this is to is to unify it. Wouldn't it be already automatically unified if they're all correct? So it doesn't matter what dialect you write unified. So Abu Bak's musf was not was not unified on one. It included all seven. It did not. It was not unified on one. What? so so wait minute. So man's man's har had all seven dialects in it. No, his had one. Abu Bakas had seven. Abs included accommodated all of them. Yeah. All right. Go to go to read the next portion. Okay, hold on. Before do, can just ask you question? haven't got single question across. You guys have been asking question. Wait, we got to finish this thought, bro. Because we we came here for reason. Excellent. Excellent. Avery, let me ask you after finish this. Let me ask you question. like As long as it's on subject, as long as it's on very much on subject. Yes. All right. Where did leave off? write it in the dialect of Curesh because it was revealed in their tongue. Yes, they did. So, and when they had written many copies, man returned the original manuscripts to man sent every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary fragmentaryary manuscripts or whole copies be burnt. Why be burnt? Because it didn't conform to his. This was it was for the best interest of the here's my question. Yeah. Were those manuscripts, those whole copies of Qurans and manuscripts of those Qurans, were they correct? I'm going to answer, but just let me let me elaborate. Yes, they were correct. But that just because had them burnt, that does not imply that they were incorrect. Right. Sure. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Mhm. He did that to unite the Muslims on one out of benefit for the and the the companions at the time unanimously agreed upon this. got you now. That's not true at all. Number one, one of the companions did not agree with with man's did successor has hadith where he said all the companions agreed to it. He consulted us before he did. Well, no. Mass said mass said hide your Qurans. Don't don't burn them and turn them in. Keep them with you until you return with Allah. We can address that. We can address that. But first, answer my question. Well, hold on. We're on this part. The part that we came to the hadith for. You said that these Qurans at first you said, "No, they're not correct." Because they didn't conform. Then you switched and said, "Yeah, they are correct even though they don't." The way they were reciting it was incorrect. didn't say the fragments. No, you we were talking about the manuscripts and you said they were not correct, bro. No, no. said the way they were reciting it. There the way they were citing. Look, I'm going to tell you to watch your clip back. don't feel like going all the way back right now to show it cuz usually do, but I'm telling you right now, we're going to My editors are going to rewind this and they're going to show you when asked you, okay, were the manuscripts and whole copies of these Qurans. Were they correct? You said no. That's where we were like, that's where life leaned back like and then you said and you're LIKE, WHOA WHOA WHOA. AND THAT'S WHEN STARTED. If that's the case, retract that. Never mind. forgot you talking about that. In that case, retract that. retracted that right away because didn't the the question didn't clock in my brain. still don't. May God forgive me. You know what's going on. You're trying to You know what's going on. You're trying to give an answer that that just doesn't exist. I'm trying to answer all your questions. I'm trying to answer all your questions. And so far, you haven't answered anyone of mine. would like to ask you question like this. All right. So you have these manuscripts of the Quran and whole copies of Qurans that do not conform to Uman's manuscript. Correct. So therefore he has them burnt. But these Qurans are correct. They are all true. They are all correct. Yeah. Yeah. No mistake in them. Right. Doesn't mean they're incorrect. got you. So they're all correct. No mistakes in these Qurans. He he had them burn. Right. mistakes. it's it's not that they had you know what I'm I'm going to say don't know like please respect my ignorance. don't know if if like if they there was no like human beings are don't know if there's like one mistake on that. know man's quot is perfect. don't know about the other ones. Let's just say general terms it's correct. Can show you that? Can can let me just show him mistake? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me ask you question. Let me ask you question. Avery, you promised me question. Let me ask you as long as as long as we finish our thought here. That's we can and you could ask something up top. What's the thought? What's the thought? So, we're talking about you you you're talking about manuscripts, the the writing, the reading of the text, right? Let me just give you summary. Let me just give you summary. No, don't need summary. What need is something direct. What need is is need you to explain to me cuz now we're at an don't know. Now, at first the physical manuscripts that were burned were were incorrect because they didn't conform to to Uman. Then you said they were correct even though they don't conform to UMA. Now you're saying you don't know. Okay. So now we don't know if they were correct or not. Here's my here's here's my question. Okay. If they're correct, like what you're saying, if they're correct, what is the point of burning correct Qurans, true Qurans? Excellent. Getting rid of all these true Qurans. How does that how does that benefit? Excellent question. The Excellent question. So you the when said the the other manuscripts were correct, meant correct as in the sense that they are like Quran. I'm not saying what like let's just say the other manuscripts that people had in the Muslim provinces before man's codex was written that it was not Quran yes it was Quran were there like mistake maybe one individual in Basan Iraq whatever had some mistake in it maybe don't know that's the part said don't know about don't know if like every single manuscript in the Muslim provinces didn't have one puny mistake in it that's that's besides the point was it Quran yes in that sense it was correct as in it was Quran Now, man's burning of them does not mean that they were incorrect. That's not what it means. So, why burn them? He did that for because it was in the best interest of the Muslims. How? Now, yes. And why was it why was it in the best interest of the Muslims? Yeah. How is it how is it in the best interest of the ummah of the Muslim people to burn true copies of the Quran? Because man's codex united the Muslims. The Muslims were differing as said. people were different like the Jews and the Christians did before. How does true Quran Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. You keep going back to recitation. I'm talking about the books themselves, bro. The copies. Yes. How does true Quran cause division? so you're saying like they had like correct manuscript? That's what you're saying. You You said that. You said that their manuscripts Yeah. You said their their manuscripts were correct. These whole copies that that Uman had burned were correct. They were true. So how is burning true Qurans beneficial to the umah if they're true? Two different questions. Those are two different questions. No, it's the same question I've been asking. No, no. One question you said, why were people differing if their manuscripts were were correct? Is that No, that that's No, that's that's not what asked. That's not what Okay, great. Great. So the question you asked was what is that? Why was it in the best interest of the Muslims for to burn the other Quran? That was your question. Let me let me rephrase it again. What is the benefit of the ummah to burn and get rid of true manuscript copies of the Quran, true Qurans, whole Qurans that are true, that are correct. How does it benefit the ummah to get rid of them? Many reasons. Number one, these other manuscripts that people had had for example written on them like for example was to preserve the prayers in the middle prayer. Some people the middle prayer is some people literally wrote in their manuscripts and like other than the the ones. So then these so then these manuscripts were not true copies then correct. Say again. So then they were not true copies because they had additions and and other people's notes written in them. But that doesn't invalidate it. That doesn't validate it. So I'm confused. Let me answer your question. Let me answer. Let me answer. Let me answer. You made it, brother. You're you're mixing up your answer right now. At first you're saying their manuscripts are all good to go. Now you're saying they had additions in them of people's personal notes. Yeah, but that doesn't make it invalid. That doesn't make the So got you. So if add my own if add my own personal notes in the Quran, does that mean that this is distorted copy of the Quran now? So if you had like verse of the Quran and then right next to the right next to it, like that's not No, that's not distorting the Quran. So okay, so you can have Quran got you. So you can have manuscript of the Quran with people's notes in it and it's still an authentic version of the Quran. Let me let me answer your question because you keep adding questions in between. You keep adding problems. Let me let me explain to you the benefit of it. That's one reason. That's one reason. That's one reason people having that's why we have books of separate from the actual mus. We do not write on the Quran. Like that was something. What's the problem with people have brother? You're not you're not dealing with what I'm asking you. Because people would kusai what is the problem with people having what you say are notes which you say are notes personal notes or whatever in their Quranic manuscripts what's the problem with that if that doesn't invalidate the manuscript because people will interpret it to be from the people people are infallible they will interpret it as from the Quran or they will misunderstand it so then it will be distortion of the Quran then correct no it'll messed up manuscript because it's not pure manuscript of the Quran because it has additions to it, right? No, people will interpret it differently, but that doesn't MEAN IT'S WHAT GOT. ALL RIGHT, this is where ask him this. This is where we see where his brain is at. This is where we see where his brain is at. And if he answer this, already know what you going to do. We done, bro. Look, Casai, yeah, you're saying that it's everything's correct. Everything's all right. Even though that these guys are correcting people, look at this manuscript right here. These are two different writing styles. Someone else came in and corrected it. Do you know what's being corrected in this manuscript? can't can't exactly read that. Like it's not the Arabic I'm used to reading. Okay. So, all right. So, this was this is scan he was given given to us by Dan Brewaker. He's Quranic manuscript studies scholar. He found in this manuscript that it was corrected where they had to insert the word the seven. So it didn't have so this is what it said here. The two different corrections can be seen in figure 21. The first is above and the upper line shown where the word alabi the seven have been added by later scribe and in very different script style from what the original scribe has written. the portion read say who is the lord of the heavens and the of the heavens and the lord of the great throne as corrected and it stands in the 1924 Cairo edition it reads say who is the lord of the seven heavens and the lord of the throne. So are both of these right when he didn't add seven was he right? Can you look at the can you go down to the citation please? It's right here. No, no. Like, want to see the the verse. Like, what what what chapter? What verse? 2386. 2386. He's going to go to the Umanic standard version to make his decision. Bro, were are both of these right? One of them doesn't have seven. One of them does. later scribe had to come in and change it for the person because the person didn't see that it needed to have the word seven. They left it there. There was no need to correct it. They put it without seven. later scribe comes and adds seven. Okay, I'll I'll say I'll just answer this question. I'll say don't know. don't know like if don't know what like manuscript this don't know like don't the the one just pulled up it says there seven. So don't know if the other one let me just say this. don't know if like without don't know if that's different for this. You can't get seven without writing seven. There's no re there's no way you're going to read. Look, there's no way you're going to read so who is the Lord of the heavens and the Lord of the great throne? You're not going to get seven without seven. So did he make mistake? Did the scribe make mistake by not adding seven or or are they both correct? don't know if they're both correct. That's the thing. don't know. All right. don't know. Now, now let me ask you question. Let me ask you question. Being dishonest, dude. It literally says he corrected it. It literally said describe corrected it, bro. Okay. But that that implies that the previous one was mistake. don't know if this is truly mistake or if it's different because told you the it's in the text. The was preserved in the text. It was preserved to oral recitation. just told you. Do you do you understand? Hey, life. Life, are you are you talking about different manuscript or you talking about something that was added in into the same manuscript? Let me ask right here. So, it's in the same Hold on. Let me ask you question. Hold on, bro. Yeah. You're scared question? Damn. haven't asked single question. You're that scared. With you, with as dentist as dishonest as you are, need you to be quiet right now when just ask life something. Please be quiet. Everything that show you is happening on the same manuscript. Everything I'll show today is going to be on the same manuscript. They are corrections that people are erasing or squeezing in to the text to read the way that they needed to read. So you see how it's not different It's the same manuscript that's being erased or added to. You understand? Okay. Now let me ask you question. Let me ask you the question. It's on the same page. Wait, wait. Do you understand that though? understand. No, let me ask you the question. So you So wait, so when you cuz don't want you to zoom past this. It's not past. I'm not zooming past. We'll come back. So you know it's not different ka, right? We'll we'll come back to this after my question. It's on the same topic. promise. Let me ask my question. Take care of yourself, man. Take care of yourself. Take care of yourself, man. Everything is okay. don't know. Could Yes. No. Yes. No, didn't say that. Okay. No. Yes. What the heck? These guys got to uphold lie so much where the simplest thing they can't even say scribe made mistake writing the Quran. But he can say that the scribes or the Quran wasn't physically preserved properly. And and it wasn't meant to be physically preserved. But they didn't make mistakes when they wrote it down. Yeah. The Quran, the Quran is not physically preserved. So with his position, he should be okay with saying, "Yeah, physically scribes made mistakes. Yeah, physically Christ scribes made additions." He should be okay with that, right? Cuz he said it wasn't physically preserved, nor was it intended to be physically preserved. He should be okay with that. But he can't even admit when the text is has additions and subtractions, scribal error or correction. He can't he can't admit it. Take care of yourself. Manuscript that show, guys, another scribe had to come right over it and insert it into what the other scribe wrote. If another scribe is coming in doing that, he's correcting him. They both are not right. one of them feels like something is missing or something doesn't need to be there. The dishonesty goes too far when you're dealing with their Quran. This perfect preservation claim is such lie. This is what they got to do. So, so not only ladies and gentlemen, are you seeing that it's within their own texts, within their own hadith, their history that talks about the corruption of the Quran, it not being preserved. But you also have manuscript evidence of scribal errors and scribal corrections and additions and erasers. All of that hadith history and manuscripts. It's tough. This whole Islam is presuran Quran is preserved. This whole argu cooked. It's done. Shout out Giant GC because we can and then then we can go into the kat the different re citations of the Quran and show you the differences in wording words missing rulings changed in the in the kat that they say. yeah Muhammad said it all. Okay. All right. He said Allah was surprised and Muhammad was surprised. Nice. All right. Crazy man. And that's good how how how how it it it it shows that this religion collapses on itself. Even when you do the manuscripts, even when you go within the book and go talk about what the book says for itself, it collapses on itself. You go with the manuscripts, it collapses on itself. You go with Muhammad's morals, it collapses on itself. Everywhere you go in Islam, if you just think critically, it's going to collapse on itself. Amen. This brother here says or sister, don't know. You exposed Islam to me and built my confidence. Amen. That's what we do by the grace of the Lord. Creed Creed says that he cooked life on this while ago. So, Creed, you're more than welcome to join up. told you to join, man. John Creed, hit the request and join up. That was that day you told me you wish recorded that. Yes. He's He cooked me. Yes. OKAY. HEY, COME UP. I'M I'VE BEEN I'VE been waiting because can actually show him what was cooking him on now. Come up Tik Tok wherever. will destroy you, bro. Yeah. Join join join. Hit the hit the request on Tik Tok. Creed. Don't be shy. gave you the gave you the invite earlier today. So, don't just don't just be spectator, man. Stop. Stop sitting here watching your Muslim brothers get shredded up here, man. Stop sitt Marian, you have echo, so you got to turn me off on YouTube if you have me on on YouTube or another device. All right. Okay. you guys can hear me all good, right? Yes, can hear you. All right. wanted to provide my intake from the whole translation manuscripts is because was I'm I'm Christian but was originally born in Egypt. came to America when was 8 years old. With the Arabic, just maybe not whole lot of people will know with the Arabic dialect, there's different versions or variations of Arabic that can be confused or misinterpreted. For and it's like way off. So for example, if say how are you good logic, will say in the Egyptian slang is zak. But however in the Palestinian or Jordanian they would say ke for people who are not very who are illiterate who do not know that. lost her. Looks like she lost connection. She lost connection. But guys, please only request up if you are Muslim, please. And thank you. Chicago boy, how you doing? All right, Abdullah, how you doing? Yo, can you guys hear me? All right. Yep. How you guys doing? Pretty good. How are you? Not too bad. Not too bad. just watched the Mahab hijab debate like couple hours ago. Nice. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it wasn't too bad. You guys started going crazy at the end when Leoniano came up and he got scared. So, don't really know what happened. But why don't you want to debate him? Would you debate somebody who slanders your wife? mean, he didn't slander your wife like year ago and you didn't want to debate him. Would you Would you didn't ask that, right? No, but that's what asked. Would you Would you talk to someone who slanders your wife? of course not. First of all, I'll wait. So, pause. So, pause. So, pause. So, am justified in not talking to someone who slanders my wife? Absolutely. Thank you. So, don't ask me about Liiano again. So, now what you're what you're here for. What you're here for, excuse me, excuse me. What you're here for is you're here to come up and defend your religion. So, hopefully you're not as depraved and stupid as Libyano and Muhammad Aab. Maybe you can actually defend your religion better than they can. So, do you believe that the Quran is preserved? Yes or no? Yeah, do. But think they're much better. Okay. Based on what? They're better than me at this, dude. don't know why you don't then. What are you here for? I'm here to tell you to go. All right. All right. Go tell them. Take care of yourself. Don't come on my panel again with that stupidity. Absolute clown. Right. Hello. Yo. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm great. So believe the Quran is not corrupted because it's from God. And we know it's from God because it has future scientific miracles. That's one reason you can hear. What does that have to do with corruption or preservation? Because God's words cannot be corrupted. Got it. So you believe that the Quran is still the same as from when Muhammad was reciting it? Yeah. Okay. So, do you know who Abu Musa is? no. So, Abu Musa is one of the companions of Muhammad who, in the reign of Umar was placed over Basra as the al-Shari. Okay. And so, don't really know what that means. Well, he was leader basically. Okay. And this is the time after Muhammad died. Okay. So, this is what he this is what he had to say here. All right. This is Sai Muslim 1050. Whoops. What happened? All right. It's over here on the right. Sai Muslim 1050. It says that Abu Musa al- Ashari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were 300 in number. They recited the Quran and he said, "You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. But bear in mind that your reciting for long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you." We used to recite surah which resembled in length the se in severity to surah barat. That's chapter nine. have however forgotten it with the exception of this which remember out of it. If there were two valleys full of riches for the son of Adam, he would long for third valley and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust. So that's all he remembers of this chapter. Now remember this chapter is as long as chapter nine. So about 129 verses. Okay. but he forgot most of it except this portion. Okay. All right. so my question is I'll I'll just stop here for second. Have you ever read this verse in the Quran? If there are two valleys full of riches for the son of Adam, he would long for third valley and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust. No. this one? No. Okay. That's because it doesn't exist. It's not in your Quran today. It's not in any of the Qurans today. Okay. So, so what conclusion are you working towards? The conclusion is is that your Quran is different from the Quran that the companions used to recite and have. Can you prove that just because he said he remembered this, this had to be in the Quran back then? They recited the Quran, right? Yeah. They recited. And then he said, it says, "And you are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. Recite the Quran." Right. Yeah. But yeah, he says, "But bear in mind that your reciting for long time may not harden your hearts as were harden the hearts of those before you. We used to recite surah which resembled in length and severity to surah bat. Yeah. So that's that would be in the Quran, right? It would be in the Quran is what he claimed. Yeah. So So they remember he was wrong here then if there was no Yeah. The companion of the companion of Muhammad was wrong. Yeah. According to them Yeah. Cuz it's not just him. That's he's saying we there's multiple we is it referring to that verse? Yeah. We used to recite surah which resembled in length and severity to surah barat. have however forgotten it with the exception of this which remember out of it. And then he quotes it quotes this passage. It says when we used to recite surah it isn't referring to the verse. It's referring to another sura. So you know that wait sense if he wait say that remember it properly. Wait so so you can be reciting if he's if he's talking about reciting surora is he talking about reciting verses? Yeah. Okay. So what what the hell are you on about, bro? What I'm saying is when it says we used to recite surah which resembled in length and severity to two surah bar right so they used to recite the verses of that chapter right yeah okay the word we it's it's referring to the people reciting the surah not this particular verse they used to recite this verse too they used to recite the chapter the only the only part that he remembers from the chapter is this verse right here highlighted Okay. So if if this isn't in if this isn't in the Quran then what does that do? It means that your different Quran it means different Quran back then. Exactly. okay. So the problem is that this is just somebody's claim. All right. Yeah. The companion's claim. Yeah. know. So, can you provide evidence of this companion being true? The companion being true? The companion of Muhammad. Yeah. We don't believe they're perfect, by the way. Yeah. So, mean, I'm little I'm little confused because not only is he companion of Muhammad, but even Umar vouched for him and made him leader over these people of Basra. That makes him perfect. That doesn't make him perfect. that that means he's reliable. Unless you have something otherwise reliable. No, if you it's it's okay, brother. If you want to if you want to say that if you have reason to say just really quick, if you have reason to say that person rel don't know if was speaking or not. If you have reason to reject Abu Musa as companion of your prophet who learned directly under him and say that this guy is actually tripping. Yeah. What is your evidence for that? well, you didn't disagree with me saying that the companions are imperfect. So, we shouldn't have any problem on that. Yeah. So, what is your evidence that he's wrong here? Well, the the evidence is because there's no historical Quran which has this verse. There's no historical evidence for this claim. But whoa, whoa, whoa. Are your are your authentic Hadith historical sources within Islam? Are my authentic hadith historical? Yeah. So according to your authentic hadith, it's claiming that Abu Musa had Quran that's different than yours, right? Yeah. Okay. So you do have historical evidence, at least within your Islamic paradigm, that there exist Quran or existed Quran that Abu Musa and others used to have that No, there's just doesn't exist anymore. No, no. That's not This is This hadith isn't evidence. It's claim. so the hadith that's making the claim is not evidence of your your history. No. All right. Let me just make sure write that down. Just because somebody said Hadith very long ago doesn't act as evidence for it. got you. Sahi Hadith is just claim. Just by the way, we agree the companion is not 100% perfect. We agree on that, right? Not Hold on. Let me just make sure we do this the right way. Why you Why aren't you answering my question, man? Hold on. You can ask it again. Simple question then you panic and you can't refrain. Have to say whatever come to mind and trample on your fade. done wrote book that full of all the silly things you say. You just make up anything to win when you defend your fate. Yeah, you really tried and took shot at feeling in the great. You done said so many silly things to fill up every page. Think you spit flames. You only eat it cuz you could coming up to be conceited while being in the book. You should watch your clip back. hope you see it when you look. Yeah. Probably going to sting like pins and needles in the foot. You ain't had logic then you need to quiet down. write it down. Bro, wait second. You said what? What you talking about? think your brain just turn your mouth be talking but your bra up on the plate, bro. I'mma have to write you up. Hey, what did he say? That going in the red book. What did he say? That going in the red book. What did he say? That going in the red book. What did he say? Yeah. All right. just had to make sure got that down, man. Sorry. So, thank you. appreciate that. So, your your authentic your your authentic hadith is not historical evidence. It's just claim. Yeah. The person's making the claim in the hadith. Yeah. Yeah. Goodness, bro. All right. Thanks, man. Hey, thanks man, bro. can't man. Bro, how do they like how do y'all expect us to believe Islam is true, bro? If mean the the the natural responses are what we've gotten today. mean this is supposed to be one of your one of your bold claims that makes your religion true. Th this is the one right here that y'all parade around every day. And look at what the religion look at what the religion has done to them by implementing this grand claim of preservation. Letter for letter word for word dot for dot. Look at what it did. what it's done to them. They are rejecting the very person Muhammad said follow, but yet they believe in the Quran and they follow Muhammad. These are the same people that will tell us, they they don't they walk into the masjid with certain foot because Muhammad did it or or they wipe with certain hand cuz Muhammad did it." Or, you know, they drink certain way cuz Muhammad did it. But when he tell you to follow this dude, you know, you know, hey, it's it's 100 thousand companions, man. We don't he was flawed. We don't need to follow him. just I've been trying to wrap my head around that. That's good one. I'm I'm stealing that one, Logic, for sure. like that one. That You like that Deb Mass one? That's crazy, bro. tore down Musa. He just tore down hadith over that. Yeah. Hadith under the bus now. Authentic. Sai Muslim. No, I'm sorry. Sai Muslim. Just just claim, man. That's not evidence. Hey, he said, man. He said, man, get that out of my face, man. Hey, get that out of my face, man. That's just claim. So, so you got them throwing Hadith under the bus, throwing the people Muhammad said follow under the bus, and got them saying all the manuscripts is correct. Even though they was correcting them, they all right. You got You got them to say the Quran is not physically preserved. Yeah. And you got them to say the Quran was not meant to be preserved physically. That's what you got them to say, man. And don't know if someone corrects the manuscript if that person who originally wrote it made mistake. They both could be right. They both could be right. They both Hey, they they both could be right. Allah alum, man. Allah alum. Yeah, this stuff is insane. might be doing this again Wednesday. Matter of fact, honestly, this might be the week of Quranic Quran preservation topic. We might just be blasting this for the rest of the week. Bro, went through 5% of what have on my computer. You went through 5% of what got, right? can't can't even get past phase one with Dean. You know, like cuz like how we doing it from two different angles, too. Like that's crazy. You going with the you they know. But yeah, that's crazy. You They know. They know. They know. Yeah. So guys, hope that you guys took notes. Take notes of the references. We're showing the book references, the quotes, the hadith numbers. This stuff is ironclad. It's legit. Hold on. Let me get you big screen, man. Cuz let me get let me give you big screen. Get these books. Get these books. You want these references? Screenshot. Buy them later. They're all in they're on Amazon and whatnot. Get these books and expose the lies of Islam demonstrating that the Quran is not preserved word for word, letter for letter or even remotely close to what they think. It's not just about it ain't about that. These manuscripts is messed up, man. We're talking one one manuscript having erasers and stuff written over and corrections, additions, subtractions. This this this this what we on about squeezing in little words here cuz they done made mistakes. Like look at this right here. Squeezing in stuff right here. Squeezing in stuff right here. All over these manuscripts. If you get these books, guys, you'll see all of this stuff. And and want to show you this, too. This is the book that you need to get the the one that showed you, textual criticism and Quranic manuscripts. Look at what his conclusion was after doing his study. This is insane. Look at this. And the reason why was asking the other brother those questions, he never wanted to answer because was going to tell him this is this is why what Uman did is bad. And it says this, look at his overall conclusion on one version going back to Muhammad. One issue that has stood in the background of the centuries of the study of Quranic varants is whether or not the idea of one precise version of the Quran going back to Muhammad can be supported from all available evidence. The belief in such text is mainstay of popular Islamic discourse. Like they say, one Quran, letter for letter, word for word. In western scholarship, this issue has factored into discussions of existence of an or text. If you don't know what that means, it's right there at the top. The original official version of the Quran. so it says this issue has factored into discussions of the existence of an or text of the Quran. Keep that in mind towards the end. Donor helpfully observed that even though there is an early form of continental Texas receptus, there has never been one single identifiable textual specimen or manuscript that has been universally accepted as representing that text. Basically, the standard version, one official version of the Quran has never been found. If one relies on Islamic tradition, now watch this. This is where the cope comes into play. And he's being honest. This is what scholars do. They got to argue both sides. If one relies on Islamic traditions, pedigree of such text can be constructed. But look at what he says, not the text itself. So remember when that brother kept coming up orally, orally, orally. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT HE MEANS ORALLY. But watch this. But it must be done selectively at the expense of material that contradicts the idea. Now watch this. When we bring manuscripts into play, if manuscript evidence is included, the idea becomes even more difficult to maintain because of the amount of editing done after Muhammad's death. This is guy who's scholar. He's PhD who's done extensive studies over all of this stuff. And this is the conclusion that he's drawn. Wow. Wow. Hey, but but who what's his daddy name? Wait, what what what his uncle is his uncle reliable? Is he Muslim? He Muslim scholar? If he ain't Muslim scholar, I'm good. Now, now if if we talking about if we holling about some oral preservation, this right here what keep sharing absolutely destroys this idea of oral preservation. And let me tell you why. Let me let me let me let me let me let me tell you why. Cuz notice Abu Musa now guys remember this is in the time of the second Caleb. This is after Abu Bakr had comp compiled the first codeex. So Havsa's Quran should have had this stuff in here. Should have. Okay. But look look look look here look here. So Aba Musa sent for the reciters of Basra. So they're reciting it. This is all oral. They're reciting the Quran. They came to him. They were 300 in numbers. This is just in Basra alone. 300 reciters of the Quran. They recited the Quran and he said, "You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it." This is good, right? Oral recitation shows the the preservation of the Quran. But look at what Abu Musa tells them in regards to reciting the Quran. He says, "Bear in mind that your recite that you're reciting for long time may not harden your hearts as were harden the hearts of those before you." Hold on second. So, reciting the Quran for long time didn't work out for the people before these guys. It hardened their hearts. They they got cocky in reciting the Quran. What happened? thought that thought oral recitation is how the Quran is meant to be preserved. Look here. Look here. We used to recite surah which resembled in length and severity to surah barat. have however forgotten it with the exception of this which remember out of it. So they used to recite this and they was reciting for long time but they got cocky and they all forgot the chapter. Wow. Over 129 verses gone. But he said he remembered something part of it. If there were two valleys full of riches, the son of Adam for the son of Adam, he would long for third valley and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of son of Adam but dust. Where is this gone? Does not exist in any Qurans, any codeex, any manuscript, any recitation. This is gone. all of it. So you have chapter that was as long as chapter 9, 129 verses at at minimum. They used to recite it. Oral recitation, it's gone. You understand? It's gone. Oral recitation did not work. Wow. Wow. But this ain't evidence. This just claim. It's just claim. mean, exactly. mean, that makes it worse. That makes it worse is that Yeah. If you want to go oral, then boom, you bring up those right there. It's over with. Where's all this stuff they used to recite? Why it didn't make it into the Quran, man. Bro, gone. All right, let's get some super chats up. I'mma bring up our friend designer. He want to get at life. before you before you engage, UD, I'mma go ahead and read some super chats. General Creed, see you in the comments, man. What's going on, dude? Creed, come on up, man. Ain't you part of the THE BELT BOYS OR WHATEVER Y'ALL CALL YOURSELVES? The belt boys. The belt boys. The belt the belt boys. Okay. Come on. Come on, Creed. The belt boys. They call them the belt boys. think that's what he's calling the new group. He said he said we going we going he said we going to get Liiano out of here. We going to get Central out of here. We gonna get Malik out of there. We gonna get Muhammad Mohamad and all them. He's like that the the the guys who are known, he said that his group is going to replace them because they have better arguments. They have better and most of all, he said they have better character, that they're not going to be insulting and going after people's wives and stuff like that. He said we will be better representatives of of of of Muslims of Islam. That's what he said. To be fair, that is what they need. I'm replacing all of them. I'm replacing all of them. who is that is what they need, man. They need hero, man. They need hero. I'm here for the rescue, man. Mashallah. Mashallah. All right, let me read couple super chats, Ud, and then I'll let you let you cook us. All right. You sure you're not nervous coming here by yourself, man? You know, I'm oneman soldier, man. All right. All right. All right. One man soldier. One man soldier designer in the building. Okay. let's get some big super chats. There's lot to get through. won't be able to get through everything, but let me just try to get chuck out. let's see. you didn't know the verse but know how to defend it. Yeah, that's exactly how they be, man. Never heard the verse before, never seen the reference, but now they they got all type of explanations for it. We know it's abregated because it's not in the Quran. It's not in the Quran because it was abregated. don't know why it's so hard to understand. just have one question, brother. Brother question. How much you want to bet that if Muhammad was alive today, Muslims of this era would reject him as fake prophet? for sure. Absolutely. They'd stone that man. Logic needs to get scrubs and dress like surgeon. Dr. Alabottomizer. like that. like that. I.e. Why you keep putting me in this corner I'm trying to get out of? Don't hide. Habibi. Don't you hide. Habibi. 99 Companions. Massude ain't one of them. There we go. 99 companions and Massude ain't one. Tough, tough, tough. love you, brother. Love you, too. Love you, too. How might Christian ask you some specific questions about the Quran related to how Muslims claim re revelation order claim re revelation order was revealed previous prophets etc. number one you could definitely email me. Number two, there are people who have done extensive articles unsaid subject. So whatever you want, go to answering Islam. Go to answering Islam and they touch on everything. Okay? Answering Islam blog, answering Isislam.net, think it is too. So go on these websites and that you'll find the answers. whole database of all this stuff already done. No, no, guys. Muhammad only generally affirmed Iban. Muhammad didn't fully confirm Ib Massud. He only generally confirmed Ib Massud. Right. Right. Nice. Nice. Nice. We got We get that too. Anything that go with what uzman say go in the Quran is good. Anything that don't go with what man say is bad man. Bro mashallah Muhammad has strange obsession with telling us to affirm things that refute him. Alo that's bad. It's bad. Today saw video on Jehovah's Witnesses in their in their version of the last supper or the version of the last supper. They just pass the wine and and bread without drinking and eating from it. It's like they want their members to actively reject Jesus. Yeah, that's crazy. Crazy work. What is the logic behind abrogation? Is it Allah or Momo's mistake? Or is it for temporary rules? It's funny like said, brought up the context earlier. Muhammad used to forget what he would say the day before, man. and the people would call him out on it. And so he came up with this abrogation concept. it's not that Allah call, you know, causes him to forget except that he brings verse similar or better than you know, what was forgotten or substituted. Such copout, man. Have you watched The False Prophet on Netflix? It's about Mormon leader. The Mormon's leader is definitely Momo reincarnated. haven't started episode one though. It's good. God bless the ministry. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Why is God Trinity three persons not four, not five or six? Because Trinity is all that's necessary. God have being love being God being love and he is the greatest conceivable being. He's the greatest form of love which would is is corporate cooperative love where multiple persons share their love with another. you know all that's required for that is three. So four five six persons the quality of love isn't changing just the quantity of persons that's involved in it. That's all that's changing. So all that's necessary is three persons and that's how God reveals himself. found Apologetics Hitmakers album on Amazon Music. I've been jamming and laughing for three days. Yeah. Yeah. didn't know it was on Amazon Music, too. Yeah. Guys, you guys want these songs that we be using during the streams? Amazon Music, iTunes or Apple Music and, Spotify as well. All right. You can find them on all these platforms and download them and listen to them at your leisure. It's called what is it called? apologetics hitmakers or you could just put in put in the search bar we just read and our song will come up. All right, we got some big super chats here. Big huge super chat from Joanne who says please go close to Patterson, New Jersey. All right. Please go close to Patterson, New Jersey for debate. will go with my husband to visit and support. How far is Patterson, New Jersey from New York and Time Square and and Washington Square Park? Shouldn't be too far, right? Patterson, New Jersey. think we were actually in Patterson, New Jersey last time when they did festival last year and we visited the Muslims. okay. couple more and then you could go ahead and start cooking us. Okay, Avery verses have been removed like the verse unsuckling caller. It wasn't physical suckling chat. One, not the point. two. What in Allah's jahum? It's non-physical sugling. Islam, man. Islam. Why did Why didn't even write that down? The suckling. Look what just found in my wallet, bro. And out. In-N-Out gift card. Yeah. Yeah, man. God put that in there so you could give it to me. That's right. You know how it go, man. What you doing when you when we get on the line? yeah, man. What you up to, man? Big head. know exactly where I'm going. What you What you What you up to after this big head? You know, man. Hey, man. Look, look, you can tag me along with you, man. Listen. in and out, boy. when are when are you and your team going to make an apologetic study Bible with dedicated apologetics notes? Probably never. That's huge project that takes years to do, and I'm not one of those guys. Also, mentioned Minnesota via super chat while ago. When are you pulling up to Minnesota? God bless. Now, that have no idea. Is there What's in Minnesota for us? Is there some action? If there's some action in Minnesota, we have no problem pulling up to the action. Black Dog says, "The glorification of oral tradition isn't just an Islamic phenomenon. Other cultures that only just came out of an oral tradition do the same." The written is how we literally materialize memory. It's the written word that makes one culture techn techn technological superior to one that doesn't. Boom. Boom. Yep. Man, thank you so much for for that super chat. All right. What you got for us, man? Where do you want to start? We're talking about Quran's corruption, man. the same the same topic we talked about when was with you yesterday. Yeah, you just introduced it. Yeah, it's not that something that we've discussed lot. So, it's kind of bit new, you know. So, yeah. Yeah. The more conversations, the more we can cook. So, so, so you agree that the panel yesterday didn't do do too good when brought this up? No, no, they did. They did. They did. But like said, it's something new you kind of brought to the table. We haven't discussed this topic as much. So they did good in answering me. They tried their best. Yeah, they tried their best. But did they know they tried their best. They was trying their hardest. They were sweating. We covered We covered most of the points. We did initially you know we were building up the argument. So you know it was bit here and there but eventually we kind of did cover all the points as many as we can. So, so specifically when brought up Abu Musa, right, and the people of Basra reciting the Quran after Muhammad and how he forgot surah that was as long as chapter nine and that and that portion that he remembers doesn't exist today. What was good response that they gave to that that actually answered this? So, so we we were correct. Look, now look more into it. So we were correct in there's two response to this not one it's not just abrogation there's two options either abrogation or forgetfulness that which well either it was abregated by another that like you said that Allah abregates it with something better or the other understanding is that the without the abrogation he just forgot that there was no abrogation. Okay. So let's deal with let's deal with the first part abrogation. So you already agreed last time that abrogation cannot happen without Muhammad, right? Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. Right. So this is happening after Muhammad's time. Abu Musa being leader over in the land of the people of Basra is after Muhammad's death. It's in the reign of Umar the caiff. Okay. So even Abu Bakr this time. Okay. So Abu Mus is present at the reign of Omar. Yes. Okay. He's companion of Muhammad who's still alive during the reign of Umar. And he's obviously the Sahabas were given authority over certain places. So exactly he was given authority over Basra by Umar. Umar gave him authority. That's fine. Okay. That's fine. Okay. Okay. So this is after Muhammad's death. So what he forgot can't be abrogation because Muhammad's gone. He's dead by now. This is real quick. Logic. Is he last guest? Probably. All right. All right. Peace out, y'all. Thanks for having me, man. Go ahead and head out. Where you going, In and out. You ain't I'm hungry, bro. want something to eat, man. All right. Go and get then. Watch your head, man. All right. Go ahead. All right. Just me and you then. No problem. Say that again. No, said me and you cook you. Yeah. Yeah, it's me and you. Okay. So, yeah. This is why we have in terms of because you said the abrogation happens because of the presence of the prophet. So, option two him forgetting. He just forgot. Right. So therefore, his forgetfulness caused cor caused corruption of the Quran, right? Because because they forgot this whole chapter. well, they didn't forget the whole chapter. He he remembered at least portion of it, but that even that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. He remembers some of it. Yeah. Yeah. So, but even that doesn't exist in any of your Qurans. So, therefore, your Quran's been it's been changed, right? Yeah. So, so, so when he when he says all this, does he say all this at the time of the prophet or after at the reign of Omar? So, does he mention all this? You ain't You ain't been listening to me, man. No, no, have. Does he mention all this at the time when the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was around or this forgetfulness? Does he say this after Muhammad is dead at this time, bro? so he's saying this when Muhammad is dead, not present with him. Correct. Yeah. So, so after years of revelation, it's possible that whatever you learn like you, you know, you could you could forget. So, that's what happened that he forgot because time elapsed, right? So, Abu Musa forgot. Yeah. And therefore, their forgetfulness because Yeah. relying on memory was not good way to preserve the Quran. As we clearly see, their forgetfulness caused the Quran to be altered cuz it you have an entire chapter missing. You have mo actually not just one, you have multiple chapters missing. You need So are we going to are we going to rely on the corruption of the Quran based on Abu Musa one companion of the prophet? It's one of the evidences. So how can you use companion to have your basis of corrupting the Quran? one. How can watch this? How do you how do you have the preservation of the Quran? The the preservation of the Quran is from the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam like you said at the Yeah. How do you how do you trace it back to Muhammad? meaning when he was present the compilation can happen the the compilation didn't happen in Muhammad's time that happened after okay but but okay but he was the he was in charge of you know having it all together no he wasn't because Muhammad was dead no he was okay Muhammad was dead when the Quran was compiled okay if the so if the prophet was not observing of how to put it all together then the Quran would have been in the order that the revelation came. But how come the Quran is not in the order of revelation? So how do you trace it back to Muhammad? Yeah. Now we do trace it back to Muhammad because how meaning it came to it came it came to the prophet. Look as it look it came as what what's what's how? Yeah. Yeah. No. No. meaning look it came to the prophet so it look it came to the prophet over the 23 years so after it fully look let me just get my chain of thought go ahead go ahead get it together because there's lot to cover here so from Abu Mus there's not there's not that much to cover it's simple question yeah wanted to focus on Abu Ma but you're going to the prophet this is the prophet no no I'm not even I'm not even going to Muhammad how do you trace your Qurans back to Muhammad How how do you make sure that it traces back to him? That's very simple. Obviously, it came to him. So, these are the students of the prophet. Yes. Boom. The Yeah. Right. Right. Right. You just said it. Through the students, i.e. the companions of Muhammad, right? Exactly. Yeah. So, it's through the companions that you trace your stuff back to Muhammad. So if you have companion here that's like hey we used to recite chapter that's similar to chapter nine but we forgot most of it then can trace this back to the companions who learned from Muhammad and they're even saying yeah memory didn't work well because we forgot couple chapters of the Quran they understand okay that's fine now can work okay now now can connect so so Okay. So, is the Quran just few verses or chapter? But the Quran is quite big, right? So, there's lot to memorize. So, we're talking about quite lot to memorize. So, out of the whole chunk of the Quran, if it's only few chapters and even few verses that they forgot, it's not like it's not like end of the world. It's only few verses. They haven't they haven't they haven't even forgotten chapters. agree. Wait, agree that it's not the end of the world. If if if 129 verses are missing from your Quran, it's okay. mean, the sun's still going to shine. The rain is still going to come down on the evil and the good. The cow is still going to move. And the fat lady is still going to sing. You know, the the earth is still going to rotate. You know what I'm saying? And the moon is still going to shine in its light from the that reflects off the sun. The life's going to go on, but you got missing chapters and verses in your Quran. Life goes on, but your Quran has been altered. Okay. So these verses that you say the teacher is not Abu Musa. So their teacher is the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. So him being the teacher and the revelation coming to him. Do you think he would let these verses slide out of when it was put together that the prophet would say, no. These verses don't have to be included in it." So, whatever's important in the revelation that everything that was revealed to him that he has to he has to have it all in in in order that the revelation came intact. Yeah. When was the first compilation of the Quran? Was it done by Muhammad? We No. The compilation is withman but the even before that cuz that's the second compilation. Who did the first compilation? Do you know? As far as know the prophet was involved in No, he was not. Yeah, the prophet was involved. Okay, let me help you out. Okay. What evidence do you have that the prophet was involved? Don't I'm I'm the unlettered Christian. You know have evidence. You know have everything. Just one second. can't believe have to do this. But no, no, I'm tripping. Of course, believe have to do this. have to do this all the time. constantly have to teach Islam and then refute it. Goodness gracious. All right. Sai Bukari 4986. Have you ever read that one before? I'm pretty sure you have. If you read it, I'll probably even know it. Yeah. It talks about how the people of the battle of your mama died who used to remember the Quran. Yeah. Yeah. This one is very famous. So the battle of your mama, it's very famous. Okay. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. You can we can use it for our own advantage. Ab absolutely. So watch this. So you have Saiukar 4986 people who used to memorize the Quran. They died in battle in the battle of your mama. Not lot. Not all of them, but chunk of them. And so they were scared that more would die, right? More people who memorized the Quran would die and that the Quran and they feared the Quran would be lost because of that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because all the main ones that the Quran, they call it the Quran, the one Yeah, the Quran. Exactly. Yeah. That they're going to all get unlived. Yeah. So, what happens next? Do Do you know what happens next? know what happens next. No, then tell me what happens next. They they have they get together the companions, the main companions. Who? Umar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Umar goes to Abu Bakr, right? Yeah. And there's one the other one have to memorize the Masud one of the No, that's that's that's later. That's later one. But Zen Tab comes up in this. That's Zab. So watch watch what happens. Umar comes to Abu Bakr. He says, "Hey, you need to collect the Quran and compile it into book so that we don't lose the Quran." Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember what Abu Bakr's response was? about the compilation. Mhm. When Omar suggested that he should compile the Quran in codeex that not to not to do it. Why? Apparently, it was said not to do it. Why? By don't know what the wine is, but know that I'll tell you they had they had they had bit of dispute. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Abu Bakr said to compile it. Yeah, bro. Let me tell you. Abu Bakr said, "How can you ask me to do something that the prophet never did?" Yeah, sorry. Admit. So, did Muhammad ever compile the Quran or did the compilation happen after? It happened when Umar Usman done it. Not Usman. Abu Bakr. This is before Usman, dude. You know they're deciding they they are deciding whether to do it or not. And they did it. They ended up doing it. Umar end up convincing Abu Bakr. Then they got Zen Tabat to come. And Zenabit he was like you know what his response was? Go on. His response was how can you tell me to do something that the prophet never did? That's fine because that's something new for them all. Yes. So the Quran was never compiled until after Muhammad's death in the reign of Abu Bakr. That's the first time it was compiled. You understand? Okay, we'll go with that for now. Like no, not we're not going to go with that for now. That's what it says. That's what the facts are. All right. So now with this being said we have fast forward little bit few years later Abu Bakr dies Umar takes rulership takes over the land of Basra puts Abu Musa you know as as as leader over over that over those people and Abu Musa after Muhammad's death is telling us about chapter that he and other companions used to recite all the time as long as chapter nine and they forgot it except for little portion. And even this little portion that he reminded us about doesn't exist in any of your Qurans. okay. So, that's good point. That's fine. Thank you. So, is Abu Mus good friends or does he is he okay with man the Khalif? Does he are they don't know their relationship. assume so. don't know. don't know their relationship. Okay. But these are all the disciples of the prophet, right? These are all the big companions of the prophet. Uh-huh. Agreed. Yeah. Mhm. So, so they were aware of each other. Yes. That it's not that man doesn't know about Abu Musa. Right. When he compiled it, right? Right. So, so the main point is Usman is fully aware of what Abu Abu Mus knows and doesn't know. How do you know that? So it so so Abu Musa he he said so so when so when man compiled the Quran did he just compile the Quran by himself or do you think this is big step he didn't use Abu Mus yeah this is big step that even they were thinking whether to do it or not so do you think him being the khalif is not going to have all the top companions around him he didn't because he didn't he didn't even include the four companions that Muhammad said you are to take the Quran from like Ib Massud, Ubai Kab, Saleem the slave and forget the other guy's name. He didn't he didn't have none of those four that Muhammad said take the Quran from them and he he didn't have them in his committee of transmission transmitting the Quran. Okay. So so how do you know when he was compiling which companions were present and which wasn't? because he tells us he had Zenab heav and two others. Abu Musa was not one of them. But you you don't have any source saying that Abu Musa was not there, right? We don't know. So let's No, you let's do this again since you you need me to teach you your own sources again. Yeah. Sai Muslim 4987. no. No. Sai Muslim 4987. Here it is. Show it on the screen right here. No problem. man then ordered Zed bin Tabit, Abdullah bin Azuber, Sed bin Alas and Abdul Rahman bin Harat bin Hasham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. man said to the three Kureshi men in case you disagree with and Tabin on any point in the Quran then write it in the dialect of the Quresh because the Quran was revealed in their tongue they did so and yada yada yada Abu Musa was not part of this committee. Okay, he's got the names of few companions. Look, know he's getting we're going to get bit cocky here, but he's got the name of few companions, but that doesn't disregard that there was no other companions around him as well. Is are you okay? He's only highlighting Yeah. No, no, no, no. He's only highlighting the ones that compiled it. The the ones that literally compiled it, but that doesn't mean that when it happened, there wasn't other companions around. But the name Yeah. Do you have hadith that says that there were other companions that were part of this committee? No, none of us know in terms of you don't know. We don't know. No, no, no. You're saying you're saying that there's that you have reason other than the plain hadith that showed you that there was there are other companions part of this committee other than what the hadith just named. Do you have hadith that says so? No, we don't have any other hadith. The hadith So, you're just making up stuff. I'm showing you what your sources say. You're making up you the and I'm giving you the different options that would have been based on what made up stuff. No, based on like you know the caliber of these companions to be present. Like said, if you're going to do something I'm sorry, I'm sorry. do you have anything that says that the companions of that high caliber were part of the committee that man issued or No, we only have the we have hades like the hadith you gave of certain. So you don't have anything that says otherwise, right? Okay, for now. So, stop wasting my time with made up stuff. Let's let's let's deal with what your sources say. Okay. So, Abu Musa was not part of this committee. You don't know what Uman knew about what Abu Musa knew. Yeah. For all we knew. But you knew what knew, but didn't know what he knew. They didn't know nothing. So, none of us don't know. And you don't know, too. Do you understand? You don't know too. So if ask you was Abu Musa did was Usman aware of him. So can ask you you don't know for sure because none of us have the evidence. So it's either possibility that they did know about each other or possibility that of course they knew about each other. That doesn't mean that they know what each other knows. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So going with Abu Musa. Abu Musa talks about chapter that it does not exist in your Quran today. It was not abregated by Muhammad cuz this is happening after the fact after Muhammad's death. That's right. So it can't be abrogation. So if these if this chapter is not part of the Quran, then that means that an alteration occurred, corruption occurred. But in terms of look even the possibility of abrogation is because look I'll tell you how it is that he remembers whatever was revealed to the prophet but that that was abregated by something else that was according to what? No no at the time because he's companion of the prophet. Yeah. According to what? Cuz Muhammad's dead. How can something be ab you wasting my time? You wasting time. No, man. No, I'm not going to when the when Muhammadu is dead. We are rewinding to when Abu Mus was around the prophet. Let me make my point. Abu Musa was when the revelation came down that even with the additions that he had, all of it came down. But whatever he had, he kind of forgot that was not you know some verses were replaced with others that those verses were replaced with something some other verses that who replaced them in the Quran they're abrogated by verses that we now have in the Quran. Do you understand? Yeah. Who who who abrogated them? No. The abrogation happened to when it came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Okay. Yeah. So, you just told me that you were not going to Muhammad's time because he's dead. So, said we have to go back at his time. said this this is what need for this is what need from you. One, need you to lock the heck in if we're going to continue this conversation. need you to lock the heck in. Okay. Can Can we focus on Abu Musa for bit? We're we're focused on Abu Musa. Yeah. Yeah. So Abu Musa after Muhammad's death talks about how the chapter that they used to recite they forgot not that it was abregated they forgot it but this is what he remembers and then he quotes what he remembers where is that part in your Qurans today so so if he himself forgot like he he forgot then you know he's not there do you understand he's not there because he doesn't even remember himself. Right? So Abu Mus So Abu Musa and the other companions So Abu Musa and the other companions failure of memory caused an alteration in the Quran, right? An entire chapter to be gone, right? No, no, that's their own that's their own loss of memory. That's their memory, right? So because of their loss of memory, no, not the Quran like this. They they got so but the this was chapter that was part of the Quran, right? part of the Yeah. revelation. Yeah. Yep. So, it's part of the Quran. And Abu Musa and his crew, the companions from Abu Musa's time forgot this chapter. So therefore, because of their failed memory, this chapter doesn't make it into the Quran. Right. Okay. Th this was part of revelation but not part of compilation though. Got it. So the Quran the Quran is missing revelation. Is that right? The the the compilation of the Quran is missing revelation. Right. Okay. for now I'll for now can change my answer but for now let's go. Okay. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. For for now we can say yes. Okay. So yes the compiled Quran is missing revelation. So therefore the compiled Quran is not the whole Quran because it's missing part of the revelation. So therefore, the compiled Quran is altered or corrupted version because it's missing revelation. Right. Fine. That's not problem. We don't have problems. Yeah, it is problem. You just admitted the Quran's corrupted. okay. So you know everything that we have in the Quran so if there was add addition of for example what Abu Mus knew the prophet was aware right of what Abu Mus knew of course because it came from the prophet to Abu Musa right? Yeah. Hold on got got to write what you said down cuz you said that there's no problem for you that the Quran is missing revelation. So just want to make sure I'm gonna No, I'm going to I'm going to cover it up now. I'm going to cover it up. Cover it up. You know, have learned your tactics, so I'm going to really? know how it all works. Yeah. Yeah, know how it all works. There's no problem for us that the Quran sorry that the compiled compiled Quran is missing revelation. Nice, man. May 4th, man. You want you want to hear what we what we got so far today? gone. We got Muslim said that the Quran is not physically preserved. That same Muslim said the Quran was not meant to be preserved physically. Isn't that crazy to say? Yeah. Listen, listen. You know, was doing my live and all that. came and then heard bit about him just trying to ignore the hadith as well and thought, man, don't know. We shouldn't have people like that trying to explain. Do you understand? Because they they're going to make mess out of all this. Even myself, look, like said, logic, you just bought up yesterday. But the more will learn about this, I'll have much better answers as well. But know some of the basics of, you know, this discussion anyway. Okay. But we haven't discussed this so much in depth. Yeah. We got we got that some Muslim came up and said that Abu Musa was wrong. The companion of of the prophet was wrong. And he also said that sahi hadith is just claim not evidence. He's Sunni Muslim by the way. Yeah. No, that's totally wrong. Yeah. No, no, the hadith is connected to the Quran. So, we take the hadith like kind of we how we take the Quran. So, the hadith is very important. And then watch what this Muslim said. There's no problem for us that the compiled Quran is missing revelation. okay. That's that's crazy, ain't it? know, man. That's crazy. So So So can can cover this now? Yeah. Go ahead. Like how how to defend this? You're going to defend that? You're you're going to defend that the Quran has gone through an alteration and corruption in that the compile compil the compiled Quran is missing revelation. You're going to fix that up. So let me give you my explanation. Go ahead. Okay. So, so when the revelation came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam, it came to not the companions, it came directly to him. Yeah. Not you know you could have thought that you know it came to companions. So there could have been bit of mixup you know he came to other other people. So the main source is not the companions no one else but directly from from God to Gabriel to the prophet. So the prophet is the main source. So he is the main source. So whatever Abu Mus knew or didn't know Mhm. that knowledge is also with the prophet. The prophet. That's right. Mhm. Exactly. So the prophet would know. But he did. Yeah. Yeah. So the prophet knew. Yeah. Whether whether Abu Musa forgot later and didn't remember or not remember. That's not the point. But the prophet knew about it, right? But he did. Yeah. Yeah. So the prophet knew about this. Yeah. So about the missing. Yeah. So now we're going to get to the crops of all this. So the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam, he knew about even what Abu Mus forgot, right? The prophet knew. Yeah. He's the one who taught it to him. Yeah. So So if the prophet knew Yeah. Yeah. So if the prophet knew Mhm. would he allow these verses not to be compile? Not even the compilation to Yeah. Because he was he was there when it was compiled. No, no, no. Yeah. No, no. He he died later. Yeah. But he died later after the revelation came to him. But when the revelation came to him and before the compilation, it's not it's not like he he he took some verses. He had some verses and he himself forgot or he didn't notify the companions. So the companions were fully aware of everything that came to him because he he would teach it to his companions. Okay. So they were aware of all this, right? Uh-huh. And then he did. Yeah. And my point is whatever then we have abrogation we have different three times. You don't have abrogation if he did. Yeah. Not not if he died. Yeah. Right. So he did. So okay. Yeah. Yeah. But then Abu Mosa came afterwards. But that's later. We're not going to later at the moment. We'll go to later. Later. Yeah. Later. Later. Let's like said, look, this is this is quite lot to cover. So it's not that much to cover at all. It's really simple. Muhammad's dead. Abu Musa forgets verses. And it and not just Abu Musa, his Abu Musa and the other companions in his generation, they forgot this chapter. They used to recite it and they forgot this chapter. Okay, we'll go to Abu Musa's generation in bit. But let's stick to when the prophet is there. That's important cuz when the prophet is there, then whatever was all put together, what I'm saying to you, it wasn't all put together when he was alive. Okay, he did. So, so if okay so if he wasn't involved look let me try and explain to understand this the Quran came which is the first chapter in the Quran we don't know now we have so we have alhamdulillah right fat now yeah you might be fake Muslim don't know you didn't recite that right yeah just done quick one but okay don't know you might be you might be undercover So, alhamdulillah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. You got your shahada back. just had to dean check you real quick. But you good. Don't worry. I'll give you some lesson to you, Christian. But okay. So, that is the that is the order that we have in the Quran now. But when the prophet when came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam the first verse was right. Wait that's not in the first chapter. No no no but that is the first revelation that came in the name of your lord in the king. So surya is just the numbered first chapter but it's not the first revelation. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to understand that the first revelation is read in the name of your lord. Soak think. Okay. So, so if that was the case that it the Quran was in that order of revelation then it would have been all jumbled up meaning the order of revelation that it came in that if if we compiled it in that order then it would have been different to what we have now. We don't have it in that order of revelation. So that means that means the the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was involved in the change of the order of revelation. Sure. Exactly. know you're going to sleep because you don't want to you don't want to listen to the main parts of the All right. The prophet is involved. Let me let me give you this. Yeah. Muhammad was involved in the ordering of the chapters of the Quran. Exactly. How does that solve the fact that after his death chapters were forgotten and they are missing? Yeah, these chapters were not as important or something that to had to go inside chapters of the Quran chapters of Allah's uncreated speech were not as important. Yeah. Because we have abrogation. So, so with with abrogation when set of verse comes and then it's abrogated by something better, what does that mean? Allah says he he's the one who sends adapt the Quran. We're going to make mess out of all this. This is bad. yes. Yes. We were going to make whole mess of this. chapters of Alakuran were not as important to as important to preserve. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's why we have abrogation. Yeah. We're not as important to preserve. Nice. Nice. Hey, keep going. Okay, you're going to make blunder of all this, but maybe my wording not as important, but meaning something else needs to be replaced. But okay, fine. You can use that. So, the reason why say that is because okay, when Allah says that we will replace it with something better, that means that when original revelation comes, it's not as better as something that is being replaced with, right? that whatever is going to replace it is better than what came. And and when does And when does this take place? That's called when when does this take place? That's called an abrogation. Right. Right. Right. When when does abrogation take place? The abrogation takes place when according to the ruling or change of situation. No man like like who does it like who does the abrogation? Who who does it? No. No. Allah does the abrogation through the prophet. Got it. So it happens when Muhammad's alive. It has to happen only when he's alive. It can't happen. But he did to my knowledge. Yeah. It can't happen without him. Yeah. But he did. He did. Yeah. He did. Yeah. Then there is no abrogation, right? So So So this entire See, let let you go for while, right? let you go. Yeah. let you explain. let you get it out. let you put it together. Your entire saliloquy that you just gave me was completely and utterly unambiguously unequivocally irrelevant because the timing that we are discussing is after the death of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. So therefore there cannot be yeah in abrogation when the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is dead. He dead dead. So when Abu Musa and his generation are forgetting verses and remembering portions and it's not in the compilation of the Quran, then guess what? Quran is corrupted. No obligation cuz the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam dead dead. Calm down. Come on, man. You're such kid sometimes. But any My god, you need to get your popcorn, man. No, for real. Yeah. Yeah. But but hope know like said, look, this this one we haven't haven't studied so much in depth, but you understand where I'm getting. hope you understand where I'm going with this. It's making kind of sense. Are you linking from from the prophet to Abu Mus? There's no possible way that you think but what you just broke down making sense to you links to anything or makes or cleans up. There's nothing that you said that can clean up. There is no problem for us that the compiled Quran is missing revelation because this missing revelation was not abrogated. It was just forgotten. Okay. wanted to now I've got bit of evidence for you. We've done lot of talking. So wanted to ask you something in terms of my knowledge from what know. So didn't know about this verse about Mr. meaning Abu Mus but when read it we have this in our hadith and we have this it's very common for example when yeah this this part if there were two valleys you read that before with guy that if there was two valleys of riches for the son of Adam he would long for third right nothing would fill his stomach until He he tasted dust Adam but becomes dust. Mhm. So that's something that we know from our scholars teach us this anyway. Where's that in your Quran? So how comes am aware of this because your hadith talks about how this used to exist. Exactly. So the scholars even but it hasn't it wasn't preserved. Check this out logic. Look. Yeah. Check this out. So but it wasn't preserved. Yeah. Yeah. So although it's not in the Quran that we have now that because in our religion look it's very vast the religion we have hadith you know dif hadith for reason that you have sah hassan and please please you know me please don't waffle I'm going to relate it no I'm going to relate it let me just quickly land the point I'll please cuz cuz you're you're going on something that has it has no releance I've been listening long enough no no let me let me connect it you'll understand why I'm going there. It's important cuz this is part of hadith what I'm just reading now. So you're just saying that in in Islam you have corpus of information that's available even in weak hadith and stuff right? Yeah. Yeah. So so my point is that's for the viewers as well that every hadith that we taking it should have only been sah oran right that we are taking we know the grade. So if something is weak why why should we take from it? But the reason is who cares it's sah bro we're not dealing with the weak hadith dude. No no I'm coming. No, no, but but even if hadith has label weak, we should have chucked it under the bus. But what I'm saying to you, we still keep it because we don't want to miss any information. Although the classification, okay, is not very clear. So what? So just like that, just like that, this verse, although Abu Mus remembered bit of it or not, that we haven't we haven't this hasn't gone under the bus, is still in our doctrine that but it's not in your Quran, right? That's fine. Okay, that's fine. Wait, wait, wait. So, you're saying it's fine for the Quran to not have been fully preserved. Okay. Your wording is Yeah. Like, is that yes? It's fine that the Quran is not fully preserved. I'm not going to answer it like that because you're going to it's going to come out wrong. No, there's only one way it can come out. No, I'm not going to do Well, actually, two ways. You can answer You can answer truthfully or you can No, no, no. I'm not going to do I'm going to Disney's explanation. It's complicated. No, that's not the answer to my question cuz you just said it's fine. So, it's fine that the Quran is not fully preserved. Is that correct? Yes or no? No, it's not fine. No. Thank you. So then since it's not fine that the Quran is not fully preserved, the fact that you have missing chapters and missing verses is not okay and therefore you have big problem with your religion that you got to talk to your boys about. Okay. So so those verses are they the foundation of the book like this one this one that say yeah it's pretty clear. Yep. Because the Quran says that the foundation of the book are clear. The Quran says that the foundation of the book are the clear verses, right? Okay. I'm I'm gonna now get you with what we just read now. Okay. So, logic, you have to let's test your have to go, man. Do you have to go? I've been live for I've been live for 4 hours. got to go. Just give me few minutes. Let me just gave you an like more you I've talked to you longer than we talked to any one guest so far cuz love you. No, no, know. know. We can carry this on on our panel as well. Yeah, we get if if you're live like tomorrow or something, I'll join you and bring this. Just give me few minutes before forget because you kind of built up. Do you have to go take break? Yeah, I'm like done. need to eat. need to see my wife. All right, then. love you, man. Look, write it. Write it. Write your thought down somewhere. Like, write it down. Yeah. Yeah. Now, got it all in my kind of got it all in my head. Okay. I'll be doing I'll be doing this topic Wednesday, too. Okay. you can come on my panel as well. can carry on and don't mind coming to your panel cuz like said, the more read on it or read more on it, know about the the child of Adam. If he wants more, he's going to want more and other mount, you know. So, when read this, thought already knew about this. It's not something new, totally new. Do you get it? But it is. Yeah. Yeah. All right. But no, was going to make some points, but kind of forgot now. Okay. Just just we'll try to I'll try to remind you next time. But you have good rest of your day. Are you doing the you're you're doing the same topic for few days? Are you doing Yeah, I'm doing this I'm doing the same topic for the rest of the week. You're doing it tomorrow? Wednesday. okay. Today's to Yeah, tomorrow's Wednesday though. Tomorrow's Tuesday. well, for you. Yeah. Yeah. For you. For you it's Tuesday right now, Yeah. So you do it around this time, isn't it? Yeah, around this time. Yeah. So what? Give me listen as speak to you because everyone just runs off. When are you normally busy for the debate? Give me timing that you can come on my panel cuz you just randomly come and we're not two two you normally surprise you guys. You you come now. You come now. But maybe it's too much for you. But normally do it in the evening. UK time 7:00 p.m. Mhm. Yeah. Is that okay for you? Yeah, that's usually fine for me. So, so you start around like this time bit earlier. Yeah, like two like 4 hours ago. okay. Yeah, that's why it's bit problem. Yeah. Yeah, it's late for you when start. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me know what time you're normally available and like you normally come, you can come even bit early. Come even bit earlier if you're free. Even tomorrow, we can carry on with this even on my panel, your panel. No problem. Sure. Yeah. All right, man. You have good rest of your day. Okay. It was good discussion, but if if was more prepared, hopefully tomorrow, then it'll be better discuss. Yeah. want you at your best. want you at your absolute best. No worries, man. All right, no problem. At least we build it up the discussion. All right, no worries, man. And everyone, God bless you all. Take care. Salamaru. wow. That's cold. okay. wow. What time, right? What time. got to love Oud, man. Gotta love Oud, my guy. you guys enjoy this. You guys enjoy this topic? You guys enjoy this topic? You guys enjoy the fact that we got to basically fill out almost whole page from today. This this this part's from May 1st, but the rest of this all this all of this is for just from today. That's all from today, ladies and gentlemen. The Quran is not physically preserved. The Quran was not meant to be preserved physically. Sahi Hadith is just claim, not evidence. Abu Musa was wrong. The suckling wasn't physical. Can you prove that? There's no problem for us that the compiled Quran is missing revelation and chapters of the Quran were not as important to preserve from this topic. might need to get new book by the end of the week. Crazy work. might have to get new book by the end of the week, ladies and gentlemen. So, check this out, y'all. Rabbi Eduardo is live with our guy Ash right now. They're debating, believe, rebbitic Judaism, believe. So, I'm going to go ahead and redirect the live over there. Going to go ahead and redirect the live over there. so you guys can support. Please support Rabbi Eduardo. support the brother Ash. He's doing excellent work. Excellent work. if you guys want to learn how to answer rebbitic Judaism, man, these guys are the go-tos. Got super chat here. Al Zaroski, page 122, author Al Sayudi. Mass transmission readings from the prophet need more consideration, i.e. doubt. This proves that mass transmitted readings from the seven readings are to us only. There is no proof linking seven readings to the prophet sudi. Why you doing it like that to him man? What is conformity is crazy bro? You are champ. You zooted Muhammad hijab. No, given what has come out recently about hijab, think he might like enjoy that concept of being zooded. We we we don't we we don't want to use that language with with hijab, man. Hijab might he he might he might like that. don't want to don't want to peique his interest at all in any sense. Not definitely not in no zut sense. Definitely not in no sense. God bless you. God logic and your family love you for what you're doing. Keep it up. May the Lord Jesus Christ watch and protect you all the days of your life. Amen. And as brother in Christ, Yeshua, thank you for giving me the confidence to give back. Amen. That's awesome. That's awesome. Awesome. Awesome. lot of these Muslims must be related to Boo Boo the Fool and Bozo the clown. Y'all is something else, man. Can any Muslim orally recite the verse about the sucklings? Can any Muslim recite the whole part of the son of Adam wanting third valley? It's good question. Maybe that might be, you know what, that might be the the the the question and the test on Wednesday. On Wednesday, we're going to ask them to recite recite it for us. Then recite the verses of the suckling, the five suckle. Recite those verses. Recite the whole passage about the third valley. The son of Adam wanting third valley. would love that. Avery says if he's reciting surah, he's reciting verses. is correct. Random live viewer. Random live viewer jit. Yes, okay then. What the hell are you on about then? Y'all got to forgive me, man. Y'all gotta forgive me. Avery be busting out that handy dandy notebook the way Steve from Blues Clues did. Yeah. Yes, sir. All Muslims do is speak lot of lies. That's clever. I'm not going to hold you. That is clever. Why do they shuffle right to Muhammad isn't the last prophet? How do they not see this? Yeah. Hello, brother. Have you seen Rob opinion? have not. It's so funny how he debunks Islam. It's hilarious. God bless you, brother. Yeah, have not seen Rob Pinion. have not seen that. Fantastic debate with Mr. Hijab. Now this coward is more like diaper than hijab. God bless. Pretty good. This is the belt that is supposed to replace the big da guys. Mashah. He dead. Avery the unlettered Christian. man. Read this guy something. Anything from the real scripture of the Bible. See if his soul recognizes the voice of the shepherd. Yeah. Maybe next time with You know, taught UD earlier. He was on panel with me. We were going over John 17:3 and they were objecting to that. And he was the only Muslim that was honest with how the explanation matched and made sense. So, shout out to Desire. he can he can be honest sometimes, man. But he he gonna try to figure it out. He He can be honest, but he's going to try to find way to where, you know, like he he can defend Islam or keep keep his point. He'll he'll try to find way. He'll fight for it. All right, guys. I'm going to go ahead and head out. My voice is very tired. love you all. Thank you all for the super chats. I'm sorry didn't get to read them all. I'll try to get better at finding times to read the super chats during the live stream. chunk of them, but really do appreciate it. It goes so so far and long way. We get we're able to do so many things because of how you guys give without even having to be asked. So, love you guys. Love you. Love you so much. And I'll see you guys on Wednesday. And you already know that the only thing we do around here is what? We just read. We just read this. What your book say? Don't blame me. We just read. We just read. This what your book say. Don't blame me. Hey, here's challenge for you. Open up your book. Can you read it and explain to us how ain't crook? see you can make it pretty, but it's not